.45-70 for Deer (England)?

[Bowland blades]

Nonsense

Blackburn pistol and rifle club _ factual members can borrow the club one even
Excuse the name might be off but San wan hill Spanish American war and Rosevelt later to became USA president actually fought there with his " rough riders" a cavalry unit
Sometimes it better to post less than you know not more eh ? At least open a debate by opening a debate but " Nonsense ? "

 

[Swedish]

Blackburn pistol and rifle club _ factual members can borrow the club one even
Excuse the name might be off but San wan hill Spanish American war and Rosevelt later to became USA president actually fought there with his " rough riders" a cavalry unit
Sometimes it better to post less than you know not more eh ? At least open a debate by opening a debate but " Nonsense ? "

The rough riders were equipped with Krag Bolt action .30 Cal. As were the regular army, only the Buffalo regiments were carrying springfield trapdoors in 45-70...very slow to reload by comparison. All were of course slower than the Mausers that the Spanish were equipped with.

 

[Bowland blades]

The rough riders were equipped with Krag Bolt action .30 Cal. As were the regular army, only the Buffalo regiments were carrying springfield trapdoors in 45-70...very slow to reload by comparison. All were of course slower than the Mausers that the Spanish were equipped with.

I did think the rough riders ( cavalry) where issued them as how do you load and fire as effectively with a bolt action . Hence the lever action design in the first place ? But i am not of that nation

 

[tackb]

Blackburn pistol and rifle club _ factual members can borrow the club one even
Excuse the name might be off but San wan hill Spanish American war and Rosevelt later to became USA president actually fought there with his " rough riders" a cavalry unit
Sometimes it better to post less than you know not more eh ? At least open a debate by opening a debate but " Nonsense ? "

''Oh btw the 45-70 has its uses but its very noisy and gives the user a big old wallop and tries to blow your ears out and Factory ammo is expensive and hunting specific rounds are not on most gunshop shelves , Bullets for reloading also expensive as is the large amount of powder . Fun but not really very practical for most hunting situations in the UK .''

noisy ? like all fullbore centerfire rifles or more so (bear in mind i actuall own both and have fired them)
gives you a big old wallop ? no more so than many other 'normal' shoulder fired rifles , recoil is a combination of rifle weight bullet weight/velocity and stock shape.
blows your ears out ? if only they made something you could wear over your ears to protect them from loud noises or even a device to go on the barrel to reduce signature.
factory ammo is no different to other centerfire ammo price wise and what do you mean hunting specific because i am pretty sure it was killing large game long ago.
bullets are available , i know i have brought some for my 45/70 and 45/120
large amount of powder ? have a look in some reloading manuals you may be surprised 45/70-60gr 308-50gr most 45/70 loads around 50gr mine 12gr
not practical for hunting in the UK , mine seems to kill stuff fine in the UK in fact better than fine , perhaps as the bullet is bigger than an expanded 243 before it starts maybe ?

Fun , yes very much so !

so yes , what you said is nonsense.

having seen a few of your posts i am guessing you are going to go entirely off topic now to try and be 'right' when in fact there is no right/wrong in this situation except the wild and as stated nonsense you posted , thats wrong.

get yourself a 45/70 , learn about it and most of all have fun x

 

[Greener Jim]

Gentle reminder this is a cartoon and not a factual illustration of a 45-70 in use

 

[stubear]

45-70 are used on indoor 50 yard ranges within the UK , The Spanish created big Issues for The Americans because they could shoot accurately at considerably longer ranges with their Mauser bolt action rifles than the Americans could with their 45-70 issued .
The fact the FEO doesn't know what they are dealing with makes a mockery of the system . Oh btw the 45-70 has its uses but its very noisy and gives the user a big old wallop and tries to blow your ears out and Factory ammo is expensive and hunting specific rounds are not on most gunshop shelves , Bullets for reloading also expensive as is the large amount of powder . Fun but not really very practical for most hunting situations in the UK .

Agree some of the factory ammo can be expensive but equally you can find it for £2 a shot or under, and reloading is even less.

Whilst the PPU 405s are 75p each you’re using similar powder charges to .308 (I use 45gn of imr4166) so you can reload for little over £1 a pop which is about the same as it costs to load for .308 anyway.

 

[Greener Jim]

Agree some of the factory ammo can be expensive but equally you can find it for £2 a shot or under, and reloading is even less.

Whilst the PPU 405s are 75p each you’re using similar powder charges to .308 (I use 45gn of imr4166) so you can reload for little over £1 a pop which is about the same as it costs to load for .308 anyway.

Totally agree. Powder and bullet costs me 85p. Brass is 15p per shot based on 10 shots from it. So a quid plus primer, and thats a 120 not a 70. Hardly going to financially ruin me

 

[Smellydog]

Totally agree. Powder and bullet costs me 85p. Brass is 15p per shot based on 10 shots from it. So a quid plus primer, and thats a 120 not a 70. Hardly going to financially ruin me

Does the brass only last that long? Is it the primer pockets going slack that finishes it?

 

[Greener Jim]

Does the brass only last that long? Is it the primer pockets going slack that finishes it?

I've not got there yet, just using 10 as a worst case. I imagine I'll get significantly more than that due to the low pressure and the brass being designed for more taxing service.

 

[25 Sharps]

''Oh btw the 45-70 has its uses but its very noisy and gives the user a big old wallop and tries to blow your ears out and Factory ammo is expensive and hunting specific rounds are not on most gunshop shelves , Bullets for reloading also expensive as is the large amount of powder . Fun but not really very practical for most hunting situations in the UK .''

noisy ? like all fullbore centerfire rifles or more so (bear in mind i actuall own both and have fired them)
gives you a big old wallop ? no more so than many other 'normal' shoulder fired rifles , recoil is a combination of rifle weight bullet weight/velocity and stock shape.
blows your ears out ? if only they made something you could wear over your ears to protect them from loud noises or even a device to go on the barrel to reduce signature.
factory ammo is no different to other centerfire ammo price wise and what do you mean hunting specific because i am pretty sure it was killing large game long ago.
bullets are available , i know i have brought some for my 45/70 and 45/120
large amount of powder ? have a look in some reloading manuals you may be surprised 45/70-60gr 308-50gr most 45/70 loads around 50gr mine 12gr
not practical for hunting in the UK , mine seems to kill stuff fine in the UK in fact better than fine , perhaps as the bullet is bigger than an expanded 243 before it starts maybe ?

Fun , yes very much so !

so yes , what you said is nonsense.

having seen a few of your posts i am guessing you are going to go entirely off topic now to try and be 'right' when in fact there is no right/wrong in this situation except the wild and as stated nonsense you posted , thats wrong.

get yourself a 45/70 , learn about it and most of all have fun x

He’s just a part that has done everything better than everyone else.

 

[25 Sharps]

Agree some of the factory ammo can be expensive but equally you can find it for £2 a shot or under, and reloading is even less.

Whilst the PPU 405s are 75p each you’re using similar powder charges to .308 (I use 45gn of imr4166) so you can reload for little over £1 a pop which is about the same as it costs to load for .308 anyway.

How do the PPUs shoot Stu?

 

[Bowland blades]

Agree some of the factory ammo can be expensive but equally you can find it for £2 a shot or under, and reloading is even less.

Whilst the PPU 405s are 75p each you’re using similar powder charges to .308 (I use 45gn of imr4166) so you can reload for little over £1 a pop which is about the same as it costs to load for .308 anyway.

Are those cheaper loads full stack with all uk deer legality ? To be honest i have only shot tTSX in the 45-70 and they where frightening expensive

 

[Bowland blades]

''Oh btw the 45-70 has its uses but its very noisy and gives the user a big old wallop and tries to blow your ears out and Factory ammo is expensive and hunting specific rounds are not on most gunshop shelves , Bullets for reloading also expensive as is the large amount of powder . Fun but not really very practical for most hunting situations in the UK .''

noisy ? like all fullbore centerfire rifles or more so (bear in mind i actuall own both and have fired them)
gives you a big old wallop ? no more so than many other 'normal' shoulder fired rifles , recoil is a combination of rifle weight bullet weight/velocity and stock shape.
blows your ears out ? if only they made something you could wear over your ears to protect them from loud noises or even a device to go on the barrel to reduce signature.
factory ammo is no different to other centerfire ammo price wise and what do you mean hunting specific because i am pretty sure it was killing large game long ago.
bullets are available , i know i have brought some for my 45/70 and 45/120
large amount of powder ? have a look in some reloading manuals you may be surprised 45/70-60gr 308-50gr most 45/70 loads around 50gr mine 12gr
not practical for hunting in the UK , mine seems to kill stuff fine in the UK in fact better than fine , perhaps as the bullet is bigger than an expanded 243 before it starts maybe ?

Fun , yes very much so !

so yes , what you said is nonsense.

having seen a few of your posts i am guessing you are going to go entirely off topic now to try and be 'right' when in fact there is no right/wrong in this situation except the wild and as stated nonsense you posted , thats wrong.

get yourself a 45/70 , learn about it and most of all have fun x

Being silly now with the above . Legal is important! Things like expanding in a predictable manner and of course it is heavy in recoil , the fact you can put a weaker load is just makes it illegal under certain deer legislation and while any all deer legal 243 - 308 is the range which most of our regular deer cartridges can shoot large or small deer very well to 300 yards in the right hands much further again! that's a big challenge with a 45-70 and yeah it is a big old wallop that comes back at you.
Hey yeah they can put a big smile on your face , blowing up milk cartons , general fun at the range ringing Hardox plates etc .. That's a different thing entirely from uk deerstalking . If faced with a big angry bear at 50 yards ? yeah a 45-70 would be rather a good thing to have , driven boar likewise. with due attention to range and accuracy limitations

 

[Greener Jim]

Are those cheaper loads full stack with all uk deer legality ? To be honest i have only shot tTSX in the 45-70 and they where frightening expensive

The .458 TTSX are of course more expensive, but only 70-85p more a bullet compared to Yew Tree in the usual smallbore sizes.
Not prohibitive in a stalking rifle, especially if used as a secondary rifle.

 

[Bowland blades]

The .458 TTSX are of course more expensive, but only 70-85p more a bullet compared to Yew Tree in the usual smallbore sizes.
Not prohibitive in a stalking rifle, especially if used as a secondary rifle.

its not just the bullet cost look at loaded rounds and then we can consider the powder .

 

[Greener Jim]

its not just the bullet cost look at loaded rounds and then we can consider the powder .

I am aware that a bullet is only part of the equation, however as mentioned above the powder cost is in the same realm as 308 Win.
It really isn't expensive to run considering the use.

 

[karamoja]

In August/September stalking prickets in the deep wood, when a shot is at a max of 50yds I would naturally pick the 45-70 over all of my other rifles. It's light, quick and accurate, and it is above all else authoritative!!
I would also choose it if targeting muntjac in Mid winter for the same reasons.
And it also produces a lot less meat damage!!

 

[Bowland blades]

I am aware that a bullet is only part of the equation, however as mentioned above the powder cost is in the same realm as 308 Win.
It really isn't expensive to run considering the use.

its a fair bit more powder actually on a full stack 308 and a full stack 45 -70 the 308 will have more usable range and can only run a 200 grain bullet max as std 48 grain compressed 2571fps , you can get 67 grains max in a 45-70 for just 2228 fps thats like 20 grains of powder or to put it another way a full capacity 223 of extra powder .
No not a wild guess LOL
Its really my " practical " scenario proved i feel . I have no trouble over just having fun and shooting some off the wall type guns and just plain having fun . Someone wants a 45-70 get one you only live the one life

 

[Morkai]

Considering the OP wants the 45 for woodland stalking, talking about 300yrd deer shooting isn't relevant.

Again, the recoil is fine.

UK legal, again, isn't relevant, the OP asked about England.

Bowland cant help himself.

 

[karamoja]

Ultimately reloading costs are negligible and recoil from a max load, 300gn sierra is not violent, the same with any calibre really until you start talking about win mags or wetherby mags etc.
Stock design is the issue not the calibre.
Obviously if I was planning to sit in a high seat with potential longer range shots, I would choose my .308 or .270. If I was planning to subdue a fox I would pick my .243 ai at.
Ultimately limitations means limitations and we have to adjust and adapt - ie stalk to an appropriate range - which is after all the point and the fun.
#stalking not sniping #just for fun
K