6,5x55 fan club!

[Thar]

Tahr, it's probably out of my price range!

Simon

I might know were a cheap 7X57 CZ is going.

Dalua PM sent.

ATB

Tahr

 

[Muir]

I hope we can reassure Muir that we really are all friends? The thought of him riven with conflicting emotions of rapt excitement at the ground-breaking 6.5x55 vs. The Rest arguement and abject despair at man's inhumanity to man is more than I can bear.

I can go to bed now and sleep with an untroubled heart...~Muir

 

[daniel paydar]

sorry about my cherry pickings but unlike some people !!i diden,t picked them from my own garden.
i wrote the result of research of a hunting organisations in sweden and ballistic information from 3 different ammo companies which are known for their accurate ballistic info .
1.-RWS. 140 gr 2850 fps!! chrony from my husky 1640 with 23½ inch barrel 850 m/s (2788 fps)+ RWS recommending 140 gr DK as highest for both red deer !!and boar!!and not suitable for moose!!which is pretended to be easier killed!!
2-norma sweden. 140 gr nosler 2700 fps and 156 gr 2560fps norma
3 sako finland. 139 gr at 850 m/s(2788 fps) and 156 gr 800 m/s(2630 fps) these figures are far from mr. tahr's figures!! 2400 fps
the hot cheeries above are reality and not fiction and result of hunting organisations reasearch is not from my own garden either!
comparing the 6,5x55 to 300 mag .6,5 natuaraly is underpowered , but compared to standard caibers like 7x57. 303 , 270 etc the difference in power is negligable and heavy for the caliber bullets with high SD is in favour of 6,5x55 and this matter is known among avid hunters world wide.
sorry to be forced to mention that the famous CARAMJO BELL has killed loads of ELEPHANTS!!! with 6,5x54 and 156 grain fmj!! at much lower velocity too because he used a short barreled mannlicher carbine probably only 2250 fps!!

there is no a caliber which can cover all kinds of hunting situations perfectly. it is why i own 2 rifles in 3006 and one in 375H&H too
sorry for my bad english and lack of understanding mr. tahr.
i am improving my english every day!! i hope you will improve your shooting too in order to not need a magnum super duper to kill those thiny deers found on british islands!!
regards
daniel

 

[stag1933]

dp.
If the 6.5X55 is so wonderful why do you not have one yourself ?
For Moose it is at the bottom of the list for your Class 1 weapons and if LEAD is banned from bullets the 6.5X55 will not have enough energy to comply with your laws.
Your choice of the .30-06 is much better.
Moose are not difficult to kill unlike Sika and even the humble Muntjac.
I have shot seven species of deer from Moose to Muntjac.

HWH.

 

[daniel paydar]

i own a husky 1640 in 6,5x55 which i cherish a lot and use often. it is a very useful caliber i use it more for roe hunting because of higher precision at longer distance!because roes are more alert and are not so easy to approach in open country.
1-the reason people believe moose are easy to shot is because their heart lung area is much larger than other deers and easy to hit and difficult to miss!!and they are huge and easier to find dead later too!!
2- the traditional moose hunting in scandinavia make it easy to find the wounded moose. like using dogs .
actually moose are huge animals as large as a horse with much stronger muscle and bones much larger than small deers and usually walk away or run away after a solid hit from very strong calibers even a 375H&H!! some time they don't show even sign of hit!! i have published the research result in previous posting about the distance run after hit from different calibers.
any deer hit in heart -lung usually run away and falling later and moose can usually run a longer distance than roe deers!
the only reason for owning 3006 is hunting in bear areas which make me feel better!! LOL with a 3006 and great varity of bullet weight making this caliber more versatile for reloading. actually i read in my hunting magasin a great share of this year's bear quota was shot with 6,5x55 this year! some weighing more than 350 pounds downed by a young hunter and 6,5x55!!
even though i do not find googling wrong, because no matter how many games we have killed still we need to learn from other hunter's experience.
i haveto say that at the age of 60 ! i have been hunting and shooting in more than 50 years and thousends of rounds center fire and tens of times more rimfire too!! still i believe i have much to learn and don't feel to know best and listen to the other hunters and hear their stories too and read hunting magasins and watch huntig videos too!!,

regards
daniel

 

[Thar]

Sorry Daniel I have been busy, stalking roe does among other things.

sorry about my cherry pickings but unlike some people !!i diden,t picked them from my own garden.

Daniel I used data from the "garden" of Mr. Hornady and Mr. Lee, as an example 58.5gn of RL22 behind a 270 150gn bullet will give you a velocity of 3010fps. I used the 2400fps of your 156gn 6.5 bullet because that was the figures you used in your own post, now it is a bit unfair to criticize me for using data you supplied. All data for sectional density is a mathematical equation, so favorable data for either side of the argument is not relevant.

1.-RWS. 140 gr 2850 fps!! chrony from my husky 1640 with 23½ inch barrel 850 m/s

If shot from the same weight of rifle the recoil of you 6.5 Swede using the above load will be almost the same as a 270 shooting a 130gn bullet at 3100fps, do you see my argument? The calibre is only soft shooting when you are firing a moderate load, up the performance and your recoil level goes up, laws of physics.

standard caibers like 7x57. 303 , 270 etc the difference in power is negligable and heavy for the caliber bullets with high SD is in favour of 6,5x55 and this matter is known among avid hunters world wide.

As an example 156gn 6.5 bullet traveling at your 2600fps produces 2341ft/lbs of energy, a 150gn bullet from a 270 traveling at 3000fps produces 2997ft/lbs of energy, now that is not a negligible difference, this is an example only as I am sure you will tell us all that a 150gnbullet is not legal for moose, but an example only.

sorry to be forced to mention that the famous CARAMJO BELL has killed loads of ELEPHANTS!!! with 6,5x54 and 156 grain fmj!! at much lower velocity too because he used a short barreled mannlicher carbine probably only 2250 fps!!

Most of Mr Bell’s elephants fell to a .275 Rigby not a 6.5X54, he was very proud of the fact he only shot solids though them “never a lead core bullet has fouled my barrel” was one of his quotes IIRC. Shooting elephants at 25 yards just behind the eye with a solid bullet has no relevance in today’s shooting world, there has be documented case of a woman killing a grizzly bear with 3 shots to the head from a 22rf, another of a man killing a brown bear with nothing more than a large wooden tree branch. Just because it can be done it does not mean it is the best way to go about it. We used to shoot roe red with 22 Hornets and reds with 22cf but now we know better in the UK.

there is no a caliber which can cover all kinds of hunting situations perfectly. it is why i own 2 rifles in 3006 and one in 375H&H too

I agree with that, but I know from being involved in our own British Deer Society research into wounding rates with deer that low and behold the bigger the caliber used the less the wounding rate, and when wounded the deer runs less. Bearing this in mind why would you not use more gun if you have one available? As you say a moose is a big target and is usually shot running, pin point accuracy is not needed, if you can shoot the Swede in ½” group but the 375 to 2” group does it matter on Moose, surely it would be better for your quarry to use more gun? Bigger wound channel, better ability to smash though bone etc with the bigger bullet why not?

sorry for my bad english and lack of understanding mr. tahr.
i am improving my english every day!!

No criticism of your English was intended, as I said far better than my Swedish.

i hope you will improve your shooting too in order to not need a magnum super duper to kill those thiny deers found on british islands!!

Daniel you know nothing of my shooting ability, but if you equate to using a bigger gun to poor accuracy, then I am a better shot than yourself, as 90% of the deer I shoot fall to a 6mm bullet, I only reach for something bigger for the stags and when hunting aboard. I ask you this who is the better rifleman? The one that can shoot magnum super duper accuately or the one than can only shoot a soft recoiling caliber accurately?

I see you rely a heavily on shooting magazines for you information, I hope they are better than some of the articles in some of our shooting press, as some seem nothing more than an advertisement to promote either a particular product, or writers point of view.

So you have been hunting for 50 years and have not shot a Moose, ever thought that you might take up golf, at 60 years old you have lived almost as long as Stag 1993 have been stalking deer successfully.

ATB

Tahr

 

[Brithunter]

Hmmm now please feel free to correct me if I have got this wrong but Bell started off his career using a pair of Lee Speeds in .303 but switched to the 6.5x53R due to some problems with some .303 ammunition. Remember that 303 was made all over the Empire and some sadly despite the attempt at uniform quality control they failed and some bullets were inferior quality. This was in about 1896 or so before the rimless round came about his Schoenauer carbine came much later. During the 2nd Boer war Bell aquired a 7mm Mauser and obviously a quantity of ammunition so then used that most successfully and as his Safaris were walking ones ammunition weight was a factor that went against the .303 with it's 215 grain bullet. Simply put they could carry more rounds of 7mm or 6.5mm than they could 303 for the same weight carried.

Oh yes and all ammunition then even the so called "Solids" in fact had a lead core .

 

[daniel paydar]

Sorry Daniel I have been busy, stalking roe does among other things.



Daniel I used data from the "garden" of Mr. Hornady and Mr. Lee, as an example 58.5gn of RL22 behind a 270 150gn bullet will give you a velocity of 3010fps. I used the 2400fps of your 156gn 6.5 bullet because that was the figures you used in your own post, now it is a bit unfair to criticize me for using data you supplied. All data for sectional density is a mathematical equation, so favorable data for either side of the argument is not relevant.



If shot from the same weight of rifle the recoil of you 6.5 Swede using the above load will be almost the same as a 270 shooting a 130gn bullet at 3100fps, do you see my argument? The calibre is only soft shooting when you are firing a moderate load, up the performance and your recoil level goes up, laws of physics.


As an example 156gn 6.5 bullet traveling at your 2600fps produces 2341ft/lbs of energy, a 150gn bullet from a 270 traveling at 3000fps produces 2997ft/lbs of energy, now that is not a negligible difference, this is an example only as I am sure you will tell us all that a 150gnbullet is not legal for moose, but an example only.



Most of Mr Bell’s elephants fell to a .275 Rigby not a 6.5X54, he was very proud of the fact he only shot solids though them “never a lead core bullet has fouled my barrel” was one of his quotes IIRC. Shooting elephants at 25 yards just behind the eye with a solid bullet has no relevance in today’s shooting world, there has be documented case of a woman killing a grizzly bear with 3 shots to the head from a 22rf, another of a man killing a brown bear with nothing more than a large wooden tree branch. Just because it can be done it does not mean it is the best way to go about it. We used to shoot roe red with 22 Hornets and reds with 22cf but now we know better in the UK.



I agree with that, but I know from being involved in our own British Deer Society research into wounding rates with deer that low and behold the bigger the caliber used the less the wounding rate, and when wounded the deer runs less. Bearing this in mind why would you not use more gun if you have one available? As you say a moose is a big target and is usually shot running, pin point accuracy is not needed, if you can shoot the Swede in ½” group but the 375 to 2” group does it matter on Moose, surely it would be better for your quarry to use more gun? Bigger wound channel, better ability to smash though bone etc with the bigger bullet why not?



No criticism of your English was intended, as I said far better than my Swedish.



Daniel you know nothing of my shooting ability, but if you equate to using a bigger gun to poor accuracy, then I am a better shot than yourself, as 90% of the deer I shoot fall to a 6mm bullet, I only reach for something bigger for the stags and when hunting aboard. I ask you this who is the better rifleman? The one that can shoot magnum super duper accuately or the one than can only shoot a soft recoiling caliber accurately?

I see you rely a heavily on shooting magazines for you information, I hope they are better than some of the articles in some of our shooting press, as some seem nothing more than an advertisement to promote either a particular product, or writers point of view.

So you have been hunting for 50 years and have not shot a Moose, ever thought that you might take up golf, at 60 years old you have lived almost as long as Stag 1993 have been stalking deer successfully.

ATB

Tahr

all these fraternity words beside. it seems we are off topic a lot.
my claim was that 6.5x55 is an excellent caliber for hunting in europe and stay for that.
there are many good hunting calibers which could be even more powerful or better under divers hunting condition depending to the kind of bullet and weight of bullet used !
6,5x55 with 140 gr at 2700-2800 fps is as adequate round as a 270 with 130 gr at 3100 fps only a couple of hundred fps in muzzle velocity dosen't change a lot .
caramajo bell according to many sources had used a mannlicher. schoenauer in 6,5x54 som says for up to 300 elephants! then swaped to 275 rigby too and even used 303 british too , but most were taken with 275 rigby as you mentioned,
once i bought a husky model 640 from a retired hunter. he had downed a moose every year with that rifle in more than 40 years!! he diden't knew not the muzzle velocity nor the muzzle energy of his rifle.
he told me from my pass to the passage for the moose distance is only 80 meter and iron sight is regulated for that distance . the gun wasen't drillet for scope sight .
then shooting a moose each year for meat dosen't make someone the absolute expert of balistic nor an extraordinary shot!.
no i don't rely only on hunting magasin 's article.
i actuallt had shot and still shooting a lot as a former shooting competitor (300 meter free) i had to learn about ballistic too and had fired huge amount of rounds every year . after many years shooting 300 meter i get tired and i began shooting metalic silhuet at 1971 and many years had fun and shot loads of home brewed ammo i even loved to shot claybirds with 3030 too i hate to boast about my shooting ability, but you are welcom to a friendly shooting contest
I have tested nearly every new bullet designs i could buy to make my own idea.( hornady, sierra, nosler, woodleigh, norma vulcan. alaska, oryx, rem cor-lokt, win st s&b hpc rws h-mantel and other ) and many more.
my 6,5x55 with 156 grain outpentrate factory loaded 3006 in all loading except 180 grain fail safe and 200 grain nosler and federal HE with 180 gr nosler !! the media has been a deer simulator with a layer of 2 mm tough plastic sheet ½ inch hard wood board and in between once with soaked and another time with dry paper which is very tough on bullets!
only shooting moose from an stand at 80 yards aways dosen't give one all the expertise needed shooting roe deer is more challenging and needs better marksmanship .
i hate to skin large animals like moose and love stalking!
i don't believe in every thing written in magasins, but if one have enough knowledge and exprience n matter can easily understand what is right or wrong.
actually the hunting magasins are in favour of magnum super dupers not good standard rounds which kill properly without spoiling a lot of meat.
they write for forbiding the 6,5x55 for moose hunting which has killed ½ of yearly moose quota in more that 60 years! and according studies from hunting organisation ther is no difference in distance run after hit between 6,5x55 and 3006!!
i hate golf and don't play golf and as british i am sure you play golf better than me. i hope i could see you shooting claybirds with rifle or att least running moose target .
in sweden in order to get your hunting certificate you ought to hit 3 times in raw each time 4 shots hitting in heart - lung of a runing moose at 80 meters and 20 km per hour . if you do this successfuly and you show me your result. i will believe you
good luck for the swedish moose hunting certificate!
ps-it is off hand shooting no tripod using!

 

[204 Ruger]

Grassed my first ever deer with my 6.5 x 55 on Saturday love it even more now

 

[Thar]

hi
how many 6,5x55 lovers have we here?
the virtue of this litlle round is almost non recoil and penetrating like the strongest rounds

Daniel this was your opening post and the one that got my attention, and raised my hackles, my stance is:-

1. You can not have virtually no recoil and expect the bullet to have the performance to almost match larger calibers. If you up the performance you up the recoil.

2. The often quoted advantage of the SD of the 6.5 can be equaled as makes no practical difference with other calibers and have the advantage of a heavier bullet.

3. A high SD is of no advantage when shooting UK deer, in fact could be a disadvantage as you have less frontal area and a narrower wound channel.

4. The Swede works well with lighter bullets and is more than adequate for most UK deer, only on Red and Sika stags would I ideally look for something bigger that doesn’t mean I think they can’t be killed cleanly with the Swede, but if available use something bigger.

You have brought nothing to the debate to disprove the above IMO.

Thank you for telling us your great experience at competition shooting if I were to go into my feats of marksmanship this would only turn the debate into a boring pi**ing competition.

The reality is that the actual shooting of the animal is only a very small part of being a successful hunter, having shot hundreds of roe, they are not that small and at normal stalking ranges up to 250/300 yards not too difficult to kill cleanly. Success is more based on your fieldcraft and knowing your quarry’s habits. There are gents on here that are shooting 100s of deer a year; this gives them true experience of what works consistently or not, your old hunter shot 1 moose a year and yourself has never done so, do you think you are in a position to give us advice based on that? Shooting at plywood and paper is all well and good but it is not a living thing.

Shooting deer running in the UK is against best practice, unless it is wounded, if the animal is moving let it go and wait for another day, or move on to the next one.

A golf course is just a waste of land that could be good rifle range IMO.



Steve well done, the caliber of the man is far more important than the caliber of the rifle.



ATB

Tahr

 

[Wolverine]

The reality is that the actual shooting of the animal is only a very small part of being a successful hunter, having shot hundreds of roe, they are not that small and at normal stalking ranges up to 250/300 yards not too difficult to kill cleanly. Success is more based on your fieldcraft and knowing your quarry’s habits. There are gents on here that are shooting 100s of deer a year; this gives them true experience of what works consistently or not, your old hunter shot 1 moose a year and yourself has never done so, do you think you are in a position to give us advice based on that?:???
Steve well done, the caliber of the man is far more important than the caliber of the rifle.



ATB

Tahr

Very true words

 

[daniel paydar]

Daniel this was your opening post and the one that got my attention, and raised my hackles, my stance is:-

1. You can not have virtually no recoil and expect the bullet to have the performance to almost match larger calibers. If you up the performance you up the recoil.

2. The often quoted advantage of the SD of the 6.5 can be equaled as makes no practical difference with other calibers and have the advantage of a heavier bullet.

3. A high SD is of no advantage when shooting UK deer, in fact could be a disadvantage as you have less frontal area and a narrower wound channel.

4. The Swede works well with lighter bullets and is more than adequate for most UK deer, only on Red and Sika stags would I ideally look for something bigger that doesn’t mean I think they can’t be killed cleanly with the Swede, but if available use something bigger.

You have brought nothing to the debate to disprove the above IMO.

Thank you for telling us your great experience at competition shooting if I were to go into my feats of marksmanship this would only turn the debate into a boring pi**ing competition.

The reality is that the actual shooting of the animal is only a very small part of being a successful hunter, having shot hundreds of roe, they are not that small and at normal stalking ranges up to 250/300 yards not too difficult to kill cleanly. Success is more based on your fieldcraft and knowing your quarry’s habits. There are gents on here that are shooting 100s of deer a year; this gives them true experience of what works consistently or not, your old hunter shot 1 moose a year and yourself has never done so, do you think you are in a position to give us advice based on that? Shooting at plywood and paper is all well and good but it is not a living thing.

Shooting deer running in the UK is against best practice, unless it is wounded, if the animal is moving let it go and wait for another day, or move on to the next one.

A golf course is just a waste of land that could be good rifle range IMO.



Steve well done, the caliber of the man is far more important than the caliber of the rifle.



ATB

Tahr

1- recoil is something personally and depending in many things.weight of rifle stock's construction and the shooter too. the kids here in school are shooting with 6,5x55 and seldom heared them contmplating! there is not only weight and velocity which are important, but weight of powder charge used is a factor too and that is in favour of 6,5x55!! many saying 308 has less felt recoil than 3006 and actually these two calibers have nearly same velocity with similar bullet weight.
2-usually in sweden we are not trying to shoot the first shot at runing moose (except in driven hunt like the rest of the world).
the first shot is att standing deer and second is when it runs away after a hit for assuring a fast human kill of a wounded game.
if a hunter shoot a deer and let it die slowly !! he is going to be reported to the authority and his hunting certifcate could be taken from him.
the shooting test is for assuring that the hunters are able to kill a deer under different conditions and for avoiding a lot of wounded games running in the wood !! letting die slowly which is a rather unhuman way.the hunters are responsible for following the wounded deer and finnish him in the same day. otherwise t is called hunting crime here!!! i am sure british gentleman hunters do not let a wounded deer die slowly and go a day later to collect a dead deer!!! the same british hunters followed wounded lions or leo's in africa facing fierce wounded beasts!! how could they let a wounded deer die slowly! it sounds very strange to me!!!
i am sure there are many many good gentleman hunters in UK with much more exprience than me and have no pretention to give them a lesson.
saying that 6,5x55 is enough gun is not a lesson to avid hunters . they already know that
in our days no one needs to kill hundreds of deer or wound hundreds to know if a bullet is good !!!! there are tests in ballistic gel and soaked paper to test the bullets!
all the studies by hunter organisations and recommendation by ammo factories are not based on air!! they test their product !!
i am honest and don't exagerate the number of the deers or quary i have downed, but i have hunted a lot,but not moose simply it is not so exiting and skining a huge beast at sub zero temp is what i don't like. and killing a game only for taking a picture for boasting is not a real sport!!
3-i am living in country side among moose and roe deers and other animals which can give me a little advantage over the city people!! concerning animal habits and how to stalk,.
if i wanted to kill a lot of deer for boasting. i even not needed to go far.
i could kill loads of deers at home in my garden!! please watch my album i have both roe and moose coming to my garden, i hunt only when i need to down a deer or when they grow much in number and not from my window .
i know many people living in south africa and culling 100 of kudu or other antelopes and they say they use 223 and 22-250 which are a long way underpower compared to 6,5x55!! hearing that 6,x55 is underpowered make them laugh!
having a fan club for a caliber is just a fraternity among 6,5x55 owners not a lot of argument which are actually based on your experience of many hundred deers killed badly!! with 6,5x55!!
frankly after all you have said before i doubt about your experience. usually an avid hunter is a humble hunter too!
you are free to build a 300 mag fraternity if you are owning one you love it!
i hope a 300 mag is enough gun for roe and red if you don't have any objection SIR! as you said the caliber of the man is far more important than the caliber of the rifle. and a very powerful caliber can't compansate the lack of shooting skill!!
please build a 300 mag fraternity i may buy and extra barrel in 300 H&H mag for my brno 602 and may join you!

 

[Brithunter]

Although I have not shot the running deer for about 6 years now I used to do it frequently at Bisley Camp. It's not as hard your trying to make out daniel................................. sorry old chap. Oh yes althoug there are those on thi site which could handily outshoot me I expect I have alos shot fox on the trot and run funnily enough with my 6.5x55 Mausr M96 Slide Bolt using Speer 120 grain flat based bullets over H4350 powder. I am not a fox shooter normally but these were causing problems for a friends and taking ther water fowl and chickens so had to go..

 

[Thar]

1- recoil is something personally and depending in many things.weight of rifle stock's construction and the shooter too.

I agree, and any comparison with other calibers must be with the assumption that only the cartridge is changed same stock, rifle weight etc. I guest if you tell people before hand that this does not recoil hard then they accept it, while if they are told that this is going to kick a bit, it is different.

the first shot is att standing deer and second is when it runs away after a hit for assuring a fast human kill a wounded game.

We are agreed, that is how I hunt, a second shot at a running animal is recovery shot, should a guest or yourself not quite get it right, we do not have driven shooting in the UK. I have shot in other parts of the world with hunters off this and other sites were to shoot at running “bounced game” is normal.

the shooting test is for assuring that the hunters are able to kill a deer under different conditions and for avoiding a lot of wounded games running in the wood !! letting die slowly which is a rather unhuman way.the hunters are responsible for following the wounded deer and finnish him in the same day. otherwise t is called hunting crime here!!!

While it might be a good idea to have a running shot in our own hunting tests, DSC1 or 2, at the minute we do not, good practice to minimize deer suffering is to use a trained dog to follow up and then dispatch the deer, much the same as in central Europe.

i am honest and don't exagerate the number of the deers or quary i have downed, but i have hunted a lot,but not moose simply it is not so exiting and skining a huge beast at sub zero temp is what i don't like. and killing a game only for taking a picture for boasting is not a real sport!!
3-i am living in country side among moose and roe deers and other animals which can give me a little advantage over the city people!!

I am honest too, and like you live in the country with roe and fallow deer all around me, I moved from my native England to Scotland to be nearer good deer hunting country, financially this has cost me a lot of money over the years, I could earn much more in the south of the country, especially London, but there is more to life than just money.

if i wanted to kill a lot of deer for boasting.

I mention the number of deer shot as only from that can you know of somebody’s real experience in the field, although I had you at a disadvantage from the start as knowing that you were a “Swedish moose hunter” I had a good idea that even if you were really experienced you would not have shot many.

i know many people living in south africa and culling 100 of kudu or other antelopes and they say they use 223 and 22-250 which are a long way underpower compared to 6,5x55!! hearing that 6,x55 is underpowered make them laugh!

As I have said already we used to use 22cf for red deer until the law was changed, just because it is possible does not mean it is the most humane way to do things, sure if the caliber of the man is right no problems, but you have to allow for the lowest common denominator.

frankly after all you have said before i doubt about your experience. usually an avid hunter is a humble hunter too!

You do not know me Daniel, and frankly I am disappointed that you make such an accusation, I feel it reflexes badly on you, not me, to you I am a unknown person behind a key board living many miles away, fair enough. Many of the posters on this site have been to my house, hunted with me on my land, I have travel and hunted aboard with them, I talk on the phone daily to site members, others have met me at game fairs while I have been working on outfitters stands in the UK, I have met others at the IWA. You judge me rashly, I hope you stay with the site and give it time, there many on here who have vastly more experience than me, I am only a keen leisure stalker. If I say something on here and it is untrue, I would look very foolish next time I am out with other site members.

you are free to build a 300 mag fraternity if you are owning one you love it!
i hope a 300 mag is enough gun for roe and red if you don't have any objection SIR! as you said the caliber of the man is far more important than the caliber of the rifle. and a very powerful caliber can't compansate the lack of shooting skill!!
please build a 300 mag fraternity i may buy and extra barrel in 300 H&H mag for my brno 602 and may join you!

I have no need of a large magnum for UK use, they are not needed for UK stalking IMO, but I would not like to see people stopped having such a firearm if they wished. On one of my blocks the biggest caliber the forestry company allows is 308. I find a 243 idea for roe, and agree with you a very powerful cartridge does not compensate for poor shooting, I am glad you like my quote.

ATB

Tahr

 

[daniel paydar]

i am glad that you agree in many points with me
i don't understand what you don't agree with me.only because i havent killed 100 moose ! for becoming a hunter!!! i have killed 100s of running moose target in many seasons!!LOL without skining a single one!!
i diden't ask you to join the fraternity neither then i don't know what is the real problem too!
in one hand you say that the deers could be hunted with 22 hornet and crf and in the other hand you tell me that 6,5x55 is not enough gun!!!
the point is it seems you don't know me either and it is coming back to yourself too and don't know how many countries i have been and what kind of games i have shot neither, only do not hunting moose doesen't mean that i haven't hunted big games!!if we want to be respeted , then we respect the others!
i hate cheap keyboard sarcasm very much and like when people try to mock someone shall do it face to face not with thousend of miles in between!!! and beside that in a modern society there is no need the mass killing of deers to know better a cartridges .
there are ballistic tests on ballistic gel or soaked papper to examin the new bullets before using them on the games.
only velocity and energy is not indicating the killing ability . a varmint bullet 100 grain at 3200 fps+ with much higher energy is varmint load and 160 grain att 2700 fps in same caliber with much less enrgy is a big game round not the energy nor velocity are indicators in this case only bullet's weight and construction is the real indicator.
we can't afford to kill or wound a couple of hundreds of deers for having idea if a caliber orbullet is suitable or not, simply ethically it is not correct!!no one of my hunting friends have killed 100s of moose or many hundreds of deers like you have done!!
may i please ask you how old are you? are you member of royal family!
even though sweden has one of the largest deer populations in scandinavia!! frankly hundreds of deers are realy unusual for average hunters!! i don't know about deer population in UK! but it sounds unbelievable!!unless you are a member if royal family with huge assets. in this case pardon me your royal highness for my rudness!!!
as i told before the old man that sold me 640 husky had killed 1 moose a year in more than 40 years and diden't even know about the ballistic . he used same gun same bullet same distance ! it dosen't make him expert anyway he diden't boasted about that and doesen't had pretention to be expert hunter too and never boasted about his knowledge too! he said he followed norma's information about the round and bullet and it did worked for him!!!
it would be much better to study ballistic and know your gun well by shooting it before going hunting !!
isen't that true?
all these modern army cartridges 6,5x55, 7x57 303 , 8x57, 3006 . 308 and even 223 or 7,62x39!!! which lacks both SD and velocity and energy for deer hunting are made and studied for use on a 200 pounds soldiers with fmj bullet!! and not even with expanding bullet!!
if you believe that 308 is the best then choice is yours you can have your 308 fraternity and nothing is wrong with that!!!wish you good luck!
would you please tel me what is wrong with having a 6,5x55 fan club?
when i participate in a forum it is not to teach the others simply it is for learning from other members.
i know very little about hunting in uk and it is why i visit a uk hunting site.
it seems there are plenty of hunters in UK that love and use 6,5x55 successfuly according their replies and i do respect their knowledge even f there are many young hunters with only one or two deers killed and not hundreds!

 

[daniel paydar]

Although I have not shot the running deer for about 6 years now I used to do it frequently at Bisley Camp. It's not as hard your trying to make out daniel................................. sorry old chap. Oh yes althoug there are those on thi site which could handily outshoot me I expect I have alos shot fox on the trot and run funnily enough with my 6.5x55 Mausr M96 Slide Bolt using Speer 120 grain flat based bullets over H4350 powder. I am not a fox shooter normally but these were causing problems for a friends and taking ther water fowl and chickens so had to go..

practicing is key to success. if you have a shooting club that have a runing moose target then it is no problem att all.
here kids of age between 9-12 from schools shooting club scoring all day long ful score on moose with 6,5x55.
it is nothing extra ordinary with shooting the runing moose, but i am sad to tel you that a guy who had many guest hunters coming for hunting moose here told me that:he had a very rough time with forign hunters trying to pass the test before hunting and was forced to lighten!! the rulls and said to them ,
all right please shoot the moose when he is standing and don't try to shoot them when they move!!!LOL

 

[Tamus]

practicing is key to success. if you have a shooting club that have a runing moose target then it is no problem att all.
here kids of age between 9-12 from schools shooting club scoring all day long ful score on moose with 6,5x55.
it is nothing extra ordinary with shooting the runing moose, but i am sad to tel you that a guy who had many guest hunters coming for hunting moose here told me that:he had a very rough time with forign hunters trying to pass the test before hunting and was forced to lighten!! the rulls and said to them ,
all right please shoot the moose when he is standing and don't try to shoot them when they move!!!LOL

I have a shooting friend who's wife is Swedish and so they go over to Sweden regularly. He tells me practically every town in Sweden has a rifle range like we have football pitches over here and shooting is part of everyday life, no problem at all. This makes me envy you very much atb~Tom.

 

[daniel paydar]

I have a shooting friend who's wife is Swedish and so they go over to Sweden regularly. He tells me practically every town in Sweden has a rifle range like we have football pitches over here and shooting is part of everyday life, no problem at all. This makes me envy you very much atb~Tom.

it is true.
actually in countryside there are even more shooting clubs than cities almost any village has their own shooting club, but sadely closed during winter times

 

[Thar]

Daniel I don’t have a lot of time to reply to you at the moment, but this thread does seem to have descended to name calling and sarcasm, and even veiled threats, you accuse me of sarcasm but look at you own posts.

If you really want to learn about UK hunting then I am big enough to offer a truce, if you are willing to spend a bit of time on here and listen, you do not know it all and but neither do I.

I am sure others or myself will explain how things differ here and the underlying reasons why.

I see you find my claim of shooting hundreds of deer unbelievable, but there are full time deer managers and contract cullers on here that have no doubt shot 4 figure numbers of deer, it is not unusual for a leisure stalker with a 10 years experience to have shot a 3 figure numbers of deer or more, hell it is only 10 a year.

I am in Norway at the end of April, not quite Sweden but not so many miles away, no rifle with me this time though.

PS my avatar is way better looking than yours..

ATB

Tahr

 

[daniel paydar]

Daniel I don’t have a lot of time to reply to you at the moment, but this thread does seem to have descended to name calling and sarcasm, and even veiled threats, you accuse me of sarcasm but look at you own posts.

If you really want to learn about UK hunting then I am big enough to offer a truce, if you are willing to spend a bit of time on here and listen, you do not know it all and but neither do I.

I am sure others or myself will explain how things differ here and the underlying reasons why.

I see you find my claim of shooting hundreds of deer unbelievable, but there are full time deer managers and contract cullers on here that have no doubt shot 4 figure numbers of deer, it is not unusual for a leisure stalker with a 10 years experience to have shot a 3 figure numbers of deer or more, hell it is only 10 a year.

I am in Norway at the end of April, not quite Sweden but not so many miles away, no rifle with me this time though.

PS my avatar is way better looking than yours..

ATB

Tahr

ha ha no harm done . i don't like to be unfriendly to anyone. but i dislike sarcasm.
in my eyes humbelness is a virtue .
i got bored of killing games before i even reached the age of 18!
as a familly tradition i begin hunting at age of 7 and did nothing else to go hunting fishing every summer and shooting loads of army boxes of 8 mm mauser!as my father was an army man.
and i was living far from sweden in the places where there was no hunting law !!! i was young and iresponsible and i killed plenty of games and naturally wounded a few too until i learned where to hit.
i regret all the game i killed as young now. mass killing of animals is not a virtue in my eyes. after that i changed in direction of game ward and management and shooting sport and much less hunting only very few games,but i love camping fishing and occasionally hunting.
i feed up to 11 roe deers in my land every winter because they can die of starvation when for up to 3 month evey thing is covered by ice and deep snow!a few roes are guld bocks but i don't kill them because they take refuge in my home.
for me hunting and conservation are part of same game.
i am sorry if i get very irritate by people which believe a hunter should be a mass killer.
you see we can have different views but i respect yours and i hope you do the same.
i hope now you know why i dislike the mass slaughter of games now.
best regards
daniel
ps- thank lord that i don't look like your avatar. LOL