A mate just had an interesting home visit for his renewal. A few areas of concern.

[Alantoo]

What choke would you use with a solid slug ?

It depends on the make and design of the slug...Brenneke say some of their slugs can go through any choke.

BRENNEKE slugs (with the exception of the “Gold” and “SuperSabot” cartridges) are suitable for all types of chokes. Even a tight full choke is not a problem. The BRENNEKE design with angular ribs is not to create spin, but to ensure problem-free choke passage.

All you need to know about shotgun ammunition | Brenneke - Munition

www.brenneke-ammunition.de

I read somewhere that a moderate choke was more accurate/advantageous than no choke with them but I haven't done any experiments to prove it.

I have only shot one fallow deer with one, a home made slug from my Mossberg .410 Hushpower which does have full choke. Head shot at a couple of metres and dropped on the spot obviously, but at the 50-100mm range I usually shoot them on a HAD call-out bird shot is a much better bet.

Alan

 

[Dunwaters]

Yes.

It might save a lot of anxiety and stress if more people did so.
If I knew that an inspection was coming I’d have everything absolutely ticketey boo before I opened the door

 

[hogey]

indeed we all would

 

[8x57]

I read somewhere that a moderate choke was more accurate/advantageous than no choke with them but I haven't done any experiments to prove it.

Alan I think you have to experiment a little bit to see what works best for you.
Slugs seemed shot more accurately through the improved cylinder choke than the moderate choke on one gun that I owned. On my old Baikal which is fixed choke and approximately 1/4 and 3/4 they shoot pretty much the same from both barrels. I haven't tried them yet through the Beretta semi-auto that has multi chokes but I think I will start off with the cylinder choke tube first and take it from there.

 

[Stalker62]

If I knew that an inspection was coming I’d have everything absolutely ticketey boo before I opened the door

Which, in a perfect world is what we should all do.

The world is not perfect.

In fact I think there is a little know By-Law in England, which states that if you own or drive a Landrover - you have to have at least one .22 cartridge swilling about the chassis and this (depending on the season) must be accompanied by several spent shotgun shells, of which, a least two must be live...

 

[Tim.243]

Which, in a perfect world is what we should all do.

The world is not perfect.

In fact I think there is a little know By-Law in England, which states that if you own or drive a Landrover - you have to have at least one .22 cartridge swilling about the chassis and this (depending of the season) must be accompanied by several spent shotgun shells, of which, a least two must be live...

You need a sgc to buy shotgun shells not to keep them in your landrover....

 

[Dunwaters]

Which, in a perfect world is what we should all do.

The world is not perfect.

In fact I think there is a little know By-Law in England, which states that if you own or drive a Landrover - you have to have at least one .22 cartridge swilling about the chassis and this (depending on the season) must be accompanied by several spent shotgun shells, of which, a least two must be live...

Which is pretty much what I was thinking of, theres always a couple of .22’s in the change drawer and I’ve managed to present myself to airport security with a couple of .270”s in my pocket. Then theres the odd 12bore shell in my shooting jackets and the knives in every trouser pocket and on every belt, I tidy up a couple of times during the season but still manage to miss out on stuff, so an hour or so to prepare for an inspection would be very much appreciated.
The Garda here are following along the same road and are being quite forceful in claiming a right of entry, which they don’t have.
Strangely there doesn’t seem to be much guidance from any of the national organisations as to what the cert holder can or can’t do.
We should routinely refuse the random visits and insist on an appointment, if everyone did this then the random walk ins would stop and if I knew they were coming I’d be ready for the inspection.
Given that we are dealing with firearms legislation designed to deal with terrorists and serious criminals I don’t want to end up inadvertently on the wrong side of it.

 

[bogtrotter]

Seems that his force do things a little differently??

1. The WPC (FEO?) turned up in a marked POLICE car in full uniform. She also brought a male colleague, also in uniform - supposedly being trained for the job.

2. She counted every single round of ammunition he had in the safe

3. She seized his Solid Slug ammo & said his S.1/FAC shotgun slot is being instantly revoked

4. She refused/questioned his application for a .577/450 rifle as "it's extremely powerful/dangerous" and asked if he had "received any formal training or experience in using that caliber"

5. She heavily queried his application for a LBR -again - asking if he had used one.
He even pointed out that it's NOT legal to use one in the UK without a slot on the FAC = she refuted his statement as incorrect

6. He asked about the options of either having the components for an AR15 upper build added to his FAC individually, or added then passed to an RFD for the final assembly.
Her reply was that such demands could well see someone smashing his door in to raid him for illegal activity...


There were a few other comments and such of a similar nature.
He's not in any associations, so I'm getting a few pointers together for him so he can fire in an email/complaint

The counting of ammunition held is a relatively new thing had it done at last renewal ,personally don't have an issue with it ,if you have nothing to hide whats the problem.
As for the other issues I don't know I'm not sufficiently qualified to answer tbem.

 

[Stalker62]

I’ve managed to present myself to airport security with a couple of .270”s in my pocket.

I seem to recall a cleaner finding half a dozen shotgun shells in a rubbish bin at one of the big airports.

Somehow or other is got escalated, and flights were delayed, folk inconvenienced and must have cost millions.

It was quite obviously, a traveller finding them in a pocket and 'disposing' of them in the nearest bin.

 

[User00036]

My wife was working for George Harrison, she had to make the journey down to Oxfordshire, & her car had a puncture, so she took my pickup. George had stepped up security after Lennon was shot, & she was stopped at the gate. They noticed loads of spent ammo in the back, so they asked her to get out of the truck while they looked in the front. Rimfire Centrefire & 12 gauge shells everywhere. She pleaded with them, "But my husbands a farmer!" Good job I didn't leave the pheasants in there, George is a Vegetarian.

 

[Dunwaters]

I seem to recall a cleaner finding half a dozen shotgun shells in a rubbish bin at one of the big airports.

Somehow or other is got escalated, and flights were delayed, folk inconvenienced and must have cost millions.

It was quite obviously, a traveller finding them in a pocket and 'disposing' of them in the nearest bin.

In a previous incarnation I used to liaise with various agencies in Dublin airport, finding knives scissors and ammo in the bins was pretty much an everyday occurrence. There was also a lot of ammo confiscated because Aer Lingus has some very idiosyncratic views on what constitutes proper packaging, I once acquired some French 42Gm 11’s, they were murder on the shoulder and on the snipe.

 

[enfieldspares]

In fact and in practice the best accuracy from slug is in guns where the diameter of the slug is a moderate to light compression fit for the whole length of the barrel and where the gun is fitted with conventional front blade and adjustable rear notch backsight. Like the Remington 870.

The next nearest I found in actual use was the old Greener GP (where as said the choke had been opened) and the firer used the front bead as a bead sight and the rear notch in the Martini action as a rearsight. Best or rather fastest into action for buckshot only use was a single standard front round bead. Thus the Browning L32A1 used by the British. I did once own one of Colin Greenwood's FEG side by side sighted ejector 12 Bore guns he'd specified when with a Yorkshire Constabulary.

It is why some such as Remington offered a 20" barrel on the Model 870 with a front and rears sight option (as standard) or as special order a bead on the front only option. Some forces in the US (I don't know about the UK) only allowing buckshot to be issued and never slug.

 

[saddler]

Curiouser and curiouser
UPDATE

On the morning following this home visit, my mate phoned the main office to query most of what happened.
By pure chance the person who picked up the phone was most apologetic about how she'd handled things.

He had his renewed FAC on Monday, with ALL the extra slots he'd asked for AND the existing shotgun permission restored.

 

[finnbear270]

Good news, and a relief for your mate, BUT, You just couldn't make it up! ............................... That is unless you are an uneducated F.E.O. with or without an agenda.

 

[TH4]

As I said earlier the average Bobby has very little knowledge of firearms or firearms law and it appears that some of the FEOs are just as bad.

 

[User00040]

Curiouser and curiouser
UPDATE

On the morning following this home visit, my mate phoned the main office to query most of what happened.
By pure chance the person who picked up the phone was most apologetic about how she'd handled things.

He had his renewed FAC on Monday, with ALL the extra slots he'd asked for AND the existing shotgun permission restored.

Wonder if this thread helped?

 

[Klenchblaize]

As I said earlier the average Bobby has very little knowledge of firearms or firearms law and it appears that some of the FEOs are just as bad.

Well, it’s not as if 99.9% of would-be Police Officers have the office of FEO in their sights when applying to join the force?

That said it’s got to be a better to such a career than at least one management role suited to the more mature officer, and that I refuse to disclose.

K

 

[TH4]

Exactly my point, they have no knowledge so should not be doing the job.

 

[Triggermortis]

A little knowledge is far more dangerous than none, people with no knowledge tend to ask, those with a bit tend to think they know it all.

 

[Liveonce]

Well, it’s not as if 99.9% of would-be Police Officers have the office of FEO in their sights when applying to join the force?

That said it’s got to be a better to such a career than at least one management role suited to the more mature officer, and that I refuse to disclose.

K

FEO are civilians not police officers, are they not? May be retired police as they used to be able to retire at 50 or ex army for example.