saddler
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This one was in uniform with collar numbers, etc. in a standard Police car = beat bobby type
A mate just had an interesting home visit for his renewal. A few areas of concern.
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Sonicdmb73
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Must be murder walking back and forth between those target’s all dayIt depends on the make and design of the slug...Brenneke say some of their slugs can go through any choke.
BRENNEKE slugs (with the exception of the “Gold” and “SuperSabot” cartridges) are suitable for all types of chokes. Even a tight full choke is not a problem. The BRENNEKE design with angular ribs is not to create spin, but to ensure problem-free choke passage.
All you need to know about shotgun ammunition | Brenneke - Munition
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I read somewhere that a moderate choke was more accurate/advantageous than no choke with them but I haven't done any experiments to prove it.
I have only shot one fallow deer with one, a home made slug from my Mossberg .410 Hushpower which does have full choke. Head shot at a couple of metres and dropped on the spot obviously, but at the 50-100mm range I usually shoot them on a HAD call-out bird shot is a much better bet.
Alan
Interesting again each force doing it differently Yet again.
C h r i s
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Not really, used to be fairly common 25 years ago, at least in Staffs.
C h r i s
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I doubt it, really think they have time to browse dozens of forums...? They can't keep up with the demands of the job as it is.Wonder if this thread helped?
Druid
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But can count every round of ammo? As stated in your previous post?
If they need to count your ammo they must have a personal issue with you and want to find a mistake on your part.
bobthedug
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I can only speak for Scotland but the Police started training Response (uniform) cops up who could be utilised to assist the FEOs or cover for absence.
Sonicdmb73
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When I first applied for my SGC there were no such thing as a FEO. You got one of the local Bobby’s.
A few years later it was the same when I applied for both FAC/SGC. I don’t recall a civilian FEO until five year certificates came in.
At which point many were ex job anyway. North and West Yorkshire, Lancashire mine was ex MOD police iirc.
I do think that we’re lacking some National formal qualifications for the FEO and FLD management roles. With Law, and at least the common cartridges along with typical ballistic (muzzle energy etc) as part of the curriculum.
C h r i s
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Not just me, many round here.
Jon P
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I have had my FAC almost 30 years, I was around 22 years old , the first application was dealt with by a member of the police firearm response team, I can still remember his words to me, “ I don’t like issuing licences as you may be facing me looking down a barrel of a gun “, he also intimidated the elderly farm owners i was working for at the time who’s ground I was trying to get passed, I also found at the time of inspection the the man , woman and child we saw picnicking on the foot path of the farm when we were extracting a down cow from the woods in the front end loader of the tractor was that firearms licensing officer checking the ground out. I ended up putting an official complaint in, I got my FAC license but they did not pass this land , however the farm almost next door was inspected by two other police officers and that land was passed with no issues. Permissions was for a .22 RF at the time.
Sonicdmb73
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Welcome to count mine if they wish.
Not sure what they would make of multiple part boxes of 22lr. Reloading storage boxes with differing amounts over more than one cartridge. To make it more interesting I have boxes with more than one cartridge in them. If they felt it good use of their time, then so be it.
I would think it hard to justify delays in the system. If they are doing this for multiple home visits.
I didn’t even get asked how many of each I had (don’t think it is on the new forms).
Show each gun and moderator. That was it.
Sonicdmb73
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I had a similar experience with land. Told the farmer I could shoot all the estimated (15 or 20 Roe) in a day. Someone from North Allerton did similar with another farm.
However a word with the local Bobby in the station canteen (I was disturbing his dinner) and he sorted it good to his word.
I have had the odd disagreement since, but I got my point across. Ultimately I got the application approved too.
But there was definitely a culture of obstruction to FAC issue in the past (possibly still the case) in some areas.
Serving officers now do the majority of enquiry officer roles. The civilians in most forces were moved on to different jobs or timed out at retirement. The admin staff in the office are generally still civilian. Most police officers as with most of society don’t understand the shooting way of life and as such are standoffish of it.
Kent look to be not be police officers, just civilians employed to do a job of being a FEO and in my experience do a professional job.
I still dream of those days when the village Bobby told you your gun licence or FAC was due. He knew everything ref shotguns and rifles and would quickly have made even the licensing manager now look an idiot. He also knew the cc of every motorbike, every potential naughty boy, all Ministry of Ag rules and requirements and was a mine of information. As Jethro said, " They come in pairs now, one can read, the other can write."
Sadly the lack of knowledge by FEO's ref rifle and shotguns is almost beyond belief.
Free range rob
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Over recent years I’ve dealt with 4 different FEO’s
One was a non shooter and openly admitted she was NOT a fan of the public having ownership of firearms. The other 3 were all shooting related men and all had a good sound knowledge of firearms, calibres and ballistics which I was slightly taken aback with
have to say it seems beds, herts and Cambs have upped thier game in recent years
One was a non shooter and openly admitted she was NOT a fan of the public having ownership of firearms. The other 3 were all shooting related men and all had a good sound knowledge of firearms, calibres and ballistics which I was slightly taken aback with
have to say it seems beds, herts and Cambs have upped thier game in recent years
Morkai
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Not good is it.Over recent years I’ve dealt with 4 different FEO’s
One was a non shooter and openly admitted she was NOT a fan of the public having ownership of firearms. The other 3 were all shooting related men and all had a good sound knowledge of firearms, calibres and ballistics which I was slightly taken aback with
She shouldnt be in the job and she shouldnt be expressing her personal views on ownership either.
Free range rob
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No, and I commented as much which didn’t look like it went down too well with her
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