A message to BASC...

[baguio]

if only wild justice were more like BASC then.

BASC are frightened of losing, but is it not better to have tried and failed then not tried at all?
Clearly BASC prefer the softly softly approach of meetings with MPs then using any legal process like judicial reviews.

Wild Justice ask for Crowdfunding to fund their challenges, however futile those challenges may be.
BASC fund their cases from their own funds. That's very different and requires them to pick their fights. Maybe BASC should also go down the Crowdfunding route? I'll bet that many on here would then criticise BASC for doing so and say that that is what membership subscriptions are supposed to pay for. They can't win!
Hopefully WJ will be called out as vexatious litigants in the near future and be prevented from bringing any more actions to court.

 

[baguio]

Could BASC ask it members do they want the magazine or not and reflect this in membership cost per year.
If you choose not to get the magazine could they not offer Legal expenses cover instead guys just thinking aloud

See post #80.

 

[Liveonce]

Wild Justice ask for Crowdfunding to fund their challenges, however futile those challenges may be.
BASC fund their cases from their own funds. That's very different and requires them to pick their fights. Maybe BASC should also go down the Crowdfunding route? I'll bet that many on here would then criticise BASC for doing so and say that that is what membership subscriptions are supposed to pay for. They can't win!
Hopefully WJ will be called out as vexatious litigants in the near future and be prevented from bring any more actions to court.

Basc money is our money as members. Which fight have they ever picked that has gone to a judicial review?

 

[baguio]

Basc money is our money as members. Which fight have they ever picked that has gone to a judicial review?

Geepers. This has been done to death no end of times. No it's not 'our money'. You paid to be a member of the organisation. Once you handed over your money it is no longer your money. As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf. Fighting the Lead ban for example would IMO have been a total waste of money. They don't have a bottomless coffer of it. There's a reason why solicitors who take on No Win No Fee cases, listen to the case first. They don't take on every case as that would be economic suicide for their business.

 

[Liveonce]

What lead ban? Their is no ban on lead (excluding wild fowling) and without members and their money over many years their would be no BASC.

 

[Kalahari]

For my sins I am also Secretary of the local wildfowling club (Shameless plug :- contact me if you want to join next year) and we are in the middle of renegotiating one of our Crown Leases, we are a small club and not rich at all but BASC have been and I am sure will continue to be extremely helpful. They are willing to meet in evenings and at other less than convenient times.

David.

 

[Rewulf]

What lead ban? Their is no ban on lead (excluding wild fowling) and without members and their money over many years their would be no BASC.

Exactly . There wasnt even mention of a lead ban , until BASC decided there was going to be one, without ANY consultation from the members who pay their wages.

 

[finnbear270]

As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf.As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf.As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf.As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf.
Sell the Mill work from home

 

[Rewulf]

As a member you entrust the employees to act sensibly for the good of shooting on your behalf.

Probably why Im no longer a member, as they cant be trusted, they dont act sensibly, and in my opinion, are more interested in their own good , rather than that of shooting in general.

And for those that say , 'No BASC , no 'voice' of shooting' Id rather have no voice , than one that has no interest in anything except corporate shooting, and continually sells us out.

 

[billm]

Funny enough that is what I have been thinking. Lots of ads and articles for wealthy shoots and expensive kits for pheasant syndicates. I have0 been thinking that for a while now. Nb. I am not a basc basher.

Hi my name is billm i have been reading everything you boys have been saying and yes I left basc it did get to expensive for me, and did not like that they were always looking to the people with money and not much for the ordinary bloke like me. I am not knocking basc but they are not for me, I was a long term member,left and joined SACS and have never looked back great insurance covers all types of sport at a very reasonable price and they will help with any problems what so ever they cover all of the United Kingdom.
www.sacs.org.uk have a look see for yourselves. billm.

 

[willie_gunn]

Hi my name is billm i have been reading everything you boys have been saying and yes I left basc it did get to expensive for me, and did not like that they were always looking to the people with money and not much for the ordinary bloke like me. I am not knocking basc but they are not for me, I was a long term member,left and joined SACS and have never looked back great insurance covers all types of sport at a very reasonable price and they will help with any problems what so ever they cover all of the United Kingdom.
www.sacs.org.uk have a look see for yourselves. billm.

I’m a member of SACS.

Other than getting a nice lanyard, sticker and badge through the post each year I can honestly say I have no idea what they are doing for me or for shooting.

Never see them on here, never see them in the news, never hear from them.

I’d not dissuade anyone from joining them, as I am sure they do a lot for some of their members, but they are hardly the kind of organisation that is going to proactively engage in the kind of work the OP is suggesting.

 

[countrryboy]

I’m a member of SACS.

Other than getting a nice lanyard, sticker and badge through the post each year I can honestly say I have no idea what they are doing for me or for shooting.

Never see them on here, never see them in the news, never hear from them.

I’d not dissuade anyone from joining them, as I am sure they do a lot for some of their members, but they are hardly the kind of organisation that is going to proactively engage in the kind of work the OP is suggesting.

I imagine they will be doing very little for u willie if ur based in england and do most of ur shooting down there ( althou not sure if that is the case or not willie)

I've never understood so many on here from down south joining a scottish org, if i was down south it would be the NGO or CA, just as i'd never really join the CA as they don't do anything much up north.

Basc have had dozensof chances to pick a case and fight it over the last decade or 2 =when it would actually have made a difference (most noteably when polis scotland started insisting on the docs letter, at the time they were completely skint and would have buckled with the threat, now its sprad to almost every polis force in uk. Far too late to do anything now)
I actually honestly believe basc do more harm than good nowadays, after 30+ years of membership its pretty sad to say

 

[baguio]

Hi my name is billm i have been reading everything you boys have been saying and yes I left basc it did get to expensive for me, and did not like that they were always looking to the people with money and not much for the ordinary bloke like me. I am not knocking basc but they are not for me, I was a long term member,left and joined SACS and have never looked back great insurance covers all types of sport at a very reasonable price and they will help with any problems what so ever they cover all of the United Kingdom.
www.sacs.org.uk have a look see for yourselves. billm.

So billm, persuade me to join SACS. I'm in England. What do SACS do for me? I have never seen them at any game fairs down here. (Their insurance doesn't cover me BTW so that's not going to persuade me). What problems have they sorted out for you?

 

[willie_gunn]

I imagine they will be doing very little for u willie if ur based in england and do most of ur shooting down there ( althou not sure if that is the case or not willie)

I've never understood so many on here from down south joining a scottish org, if i was down south it would be the NGO or CA, just as i'd never really join the CA as they don't do anything much up north.

Basc have had dozensof chances to pick a case and fight it over the last decade or 2 =when it would actually have made a difference (most noteably when polis scotland started insisting on the docs letter, at the time they were completely skint and would have buckled with the threat, now its sprad to almost every polis force in uk. Far too late to do anything now)
I actually honestly believe basc do more harm than good nowadays, after 30+ years of membership its pretty sad to say

Yes, Scottish-based but, as they say, “Established in 1994 as the Scottish Association for Country Sports, by demand SACS has grown to be a UK-wide shooting and fieldsports advocacy body.” They make a big play on the fact that they represent the entire UK.

I joined them because I stalked in Scotland for 20 years, and I like to support an organisation that represents those close to where I cut my teeth, stalking-wise.

I am also a member of GWCT, and BASC, and BDS. For many years I was a member of, and actively participated in, the CA.

I’ve never understood shooting folk for whom the be-all and end-all is “where can I get the cheapest insurance?”

I’ve said before that members here are great at demanding an organisation that fights like the NRA in the US, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets to fund it and you’ll be trampled in the stampede for the door. People seem to think that £80 or £100 a year from 150,000 members will fund every conceivable thing their little hearts desire.

We get the shooting organisations that we deserve and are willing to pay for.

 

[terrier1]

Basc have had dozensof chances to pick a case and fight it over the last decade or 2 =when it would actually have made a difference (most noteably when polis scotland started insisting on the docs letter, at the time they were completely skint and would have buckled with the threat, now its sprad to almost every polis force in uk. Far too late to do anything now)
I actually honestly believe basc do more harm than good nowadays, after 30+ years of membership its pretty sad to say

I totally agree with this statement.
BASC is doing more harm to shooting and I am glad I am know longer a member.

 

[enfieldspares]

I joined CPSA. Which as I keep saying has member insurance as below:

https://www.cpsa.co.uk/files/download/532/CPSA-Insurance-Leaflet.pdf

 

[enfieldspares]

I’ve said before that members here are great at demanding an organisation that fights like the NRA in the US, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets to fund it and you’ll be trampled in the stampede for the door. People seem to think that £80 or £100 a year from 150,000 members will fund every conceivable thing their little hearts desire.

I desire a free day, with overnight accommodation and then breakfast before enjoying some shooting on the pheasants at Catton Hall!

 

[willie_gunn]

I joined CPSA. Which as I keep saying has member insurance as below:

https://www.cpsa.co.uk/files/download/532/CPSA-Insurance-Leaflet.pdf

Other than insurance, what does the CPSA offer for users of firearms, whether for deer stalking, vermin control or other reasons?

 

[baguio]

Just noticed this on the CPSA Insurance.

Principal Exclusions: 1) Any claim caused by suicide, attempted suicide or any self-inflicted injury. 2) Bodily injury arising from any pre-existing defect, infirmity, medical condition or chronic or recurring ailment of which you were aware or could reasonably be expected to have been aware. 3) Bodily injury sustained while under the influence of or due wholly or partly or directly or indirectly to the taking of alcohol or drugs, other than drugs taken as directed and prescribed by a qualified registered medical practitioner.

I suspect that this is standard across all the shooting insurances. I therefore wonder how many of the guns on a driven day are still insured after 11:15AM given that a tot of something at 11:00AM is pretty standard on driven game shoots.

I also note that the CPSA insurance won't help with FAC issues as said by another poster earlier.

 

[Harry mac]

Where is your evidence that demonstrates there is no risk at all and this is a public relations exercise? Unless you are a whistleblower all you have is hearsay.

And unless you are an insider, all you have is faith.
The fact that this is only happening after the Plymouth shootings, and that it seems to be happening with the same police force would strongly sugest that this is a case of D & C Police, either, belatedly getting their house in order (if there are solid grounds for these revocations), or it is indeed a case of being "seen to do something".
Something doesn't smell right.