Aggro on permission
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caz518
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All too often when you approach a farmer to ask for shooting you'll here the immortal words "well there is already someone shooting on here, but he hasn't been for ages"
Not wanting to tread on anyone's toes you leave your number and walk away.... more than likely you'll never hear anymore about it.
I had this a few months ago at a chicken farm, I asked if I could shoot foxes and the farmer said he would need to speak to the chap who already has permission but hasn't been since before Xmas, to check if he still want's the rights.
Guess who's car was parked in the gateway the following evening?
Sounds similar to this situation, the guy is definately more active since I have been shooting there !
375 mag
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I would stay well clear all the other guy will do now is shoot every deer on site to stop you getting one ! I was always taught that you do not encroach on another mans shooting get your own i would never dream of knocking on a farmers door if i new someone else had the shooting ! shooting eticate
caz518
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I did not know when I first spoke to the farmer there was someone else shooting there, there were also no signs up telling me that either . The farmer could have easily said no thanks I already have someone....
Most places these days have someone shooting on , so if you didn't knock on a door etc to try and obtain permission because there is a chance someone else may shoot there you would never get anywhere. That is completely different to knowingly trying to take someone's permission which I would never do !
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caz518
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First time I have seen public in a field there, the land is cleared , its two fields that the deer.mainly get on to as the rest normally have cattle in , plenty of fields with vermin tho .
Still....I.take on board what everyone has said and appreciate all your comments , will give this one some thought , think i am going to have a chat with the other guy and try to come to some arrangement.
Still....I.take on board what everyone has said and appreciate all your comments , will give this one some thought , think i am going to have a chat with the other guy and try to come to some arrangement.
straightbetweentheeyes
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All too often when you approach a farmer to ask for shooting you'll here the immortal words "well there is already someone shooting on here, but he hasn't been for ages"
Not wanting to tread on anyone's toes you leave your number and walk away.... more than likely you'll never hear anymore about it.
sounds very familiar
regards, Jez.
straightbetweentheeyes
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shoot the buck off his bonnet then ask him if he would like a haunch for his freezer, not very ethical i know but the look on his face would be worth mounting on the wall
kingstonandy
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I think I would have shot the buck in front of him on principal.
Chris Stephens
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Just carry on as normal or just leave the piece of ground alone for a fortnight and then carry on as normal you have got permission in writing that is all that matters all his done so far is try to bulls**t you so far and the land owner is happy for you to carry on.
And as thee land owner its up to him who shoots and how many its his land after all.
And as thee land owner its up to him who shoots and how many its his land after all.
caz518.
The `triangle management program` he refers to is the `Hoffman Triangle`, a well tried and efficient management system used in some Continental countries.
If more people used it there would be less problems with deer in general and in many areas the quality would improve.
To some farmers every deer is a competitor gobbling his grass and that other shooting chap is not a sinner by acting in his own manner.
I had a similar problem here a few years ago when a member of a pheasant syndicate thought he could zap any foxes or deer he saw.
It was pointed out to him that the `deer lease` was in MY name and that I had sole control.
On another area I had ,my master stag [RED] was a `Royal` when I last saw him, unfortunately it strayed over my boundary fence and was shot by a member of a deer shooting syndicate next door who shot everything in sight. He was turned into cash and calories. The head of that beast was measured and made a medal I was told.
They shot their area out and gave it up, it was re-let to another chap for a large sum of money and when he found out the true situation he demanded his money back and got it.
HWH.
Edited. The `triangle` mentioned is the Hoffman Pyramid not triangle as I mentioned earlier.
The `triangle management program` he refers to is the `Hoffman Triangle`, a well tried and efficient management system used in some Continental countries.
If more people used it there would be less problems with deer in general and in many areas the quality would improve.
To some farmers every deer is a competitor gobbling his grass and that other shooting chap is not a sinner by acting in his own manner.
I had a similar problem here a few years ago when a member of a pheasant syndicate thought he could zap any foxes or deer he saw.
It was pointed out to him that the `deer lease` was in MY name and that I had sole control.
On another area I had ,my master stag [RED] was a `Royal` when I last saw him, unfortunately it strayed over my boundary fence and was shot by a member of a deer shooting syndicate next door who shot everything in sight. He was turned into cash and calories. The head of that beast was measured and made a medal I was told.
They shot their area out and gave it up, it was re-let to another chap for a large sum of money and when he found out the true situation he demanded his money back and got it.
HWH.
Edited. The `triangle` mentioned is the Hoffman Pyramid not triangle as I mentioned earlier.
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223
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IMO you should walk away from it,the other guy was shooting the ground befor you, no matter that you have a signed piece of paper , when you met the other guy you should have apologised and walked , thank the farmer for the offer tell him why you are going, when you get another piece of ground someone else may be invited to shoot it by your farmer and you will be as ****ed of as your man is at the moment , what goes round comes round , as i say its just my opinion ,JC
RickoShay
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He's got under your collar, and you under his - sound like a s:fester:t situation for both of you. I wouldn't be surprised if the farmer thought you both a pair of kids and asked you to walk.
If you can't sort it out between you, they'll never be any enjoyment - lest of all for the farmer who'll just hear whinging from one side then another when all he wants to do is kip on the sofa in-between long unforgiving days IMHO.
If you can't sort it out between you, they'll never be any enjoyment - lest of all for the farmer who'll just hear whinging from one side then another when all he wants to do is kip on the sofa in-between long unforgiving days IMHO.
weeman
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JC43 that is a bit harsh sayinh "what goes around comes around" CAZ 518 did'nt know as he has stated there was another person control in the land. As difficult as this is CAZ in my opinion the farmer is at fault here he should of stated that there was some body else shooting on this land to i dont mind if you help him out but first i will speak to him out of politeness.
weeman , it may sound harsh , ok he didnt know someone else was on the land , but when he found out he should have walked , how would you feel if someone else was given permission to shoot on your land maybe you would accept the situation but I think most people would be hacked off about it,it seems the majority on this thread say tuff **** on the original guy, thats how things seem these days, dont matter a phuqe as long as I get what I want mentality, IMO you should treat people as you want to be treated . JC
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