barrel screw cut

[EMcC]

There is only one way to do a job properly, it seems the only thing that varies is the price.
All the work I have had done has nearly always involved shortening before threading so crowning and a thread protector is all part of the same job and has not cost any more and has always been done while I wait.
There are quite a few rifles, and before the ban, Pistols that were done at reasonable rates without complaint, probably without the owners knowing who or where the work was done.
If £90.00 gives you more confidence in the work, then fine, but I see no point in paying more money just for a name when the same job can be done to the same standard for less.

 

[EMcC]

Quality workmanship never comes cheap !!!

Quality workmanship can vary considerably in price tho' it seems.

 

[cervushunter]

Hi , can i ask why Mike Norris would always re-crown after screw cutting? (if anybody does know why) I can understand it if you have had an amount of barrel removed but if only cutting a thread why the need to re-cut the crown if it is already ok?

 

[JabaliHunter]

Just because you pay a lot does not mean you get good quality or good work and using car dealers is a very poor example a shtye are some of the biggest rip off merchants out there. The immobiliser module went on the car we recently brought. This has to be fixed by a main agent due to the way VAG have it set up............................................... just so they can rook you. They charged 3 hrs labour to run diagnostics fit the module (under the dash) the dash was already out as the local guy had already found the problem but cannot recode them only VAG VW and Skoda main dealer scan do this. So they re-fitted the dash ( they agreed to accept the car with the dash out as they had to remove it anyway and having the chap put it back just for them to remove seemed daft in the extreme, even they agreed to that point) and the invoice says road tested.. all OK... well we had no speedo,,...................... turnes out they never even put the cable onto the speedo head no brake lights, hazard lights, interior/courtesy light or clock. They claimed it's nothing they did but the would put it right for another 1 1/2 hrs labour. The road test claim is bogus whic they have had to admit to and it's just soemthing we put down .

Got the local guy out to see what they did and it took him 20 minutes to find this out take out instrument panel re-connect speedo then check fuses... they had not plugged the fuse box back in properly and for some reason they removed the top column shroud. This means removing the steering wheel in normal practice but not they prised it off breaking off it's retaining tab sp now it does not fit..

So now we have a dispute over the charges for labour as it obviously did not take 3 hrs to bodge the job, not road test not spare keys as on the invoice. So under the 1982 Consumer services act we are rejecting their invoice and claiming the costs to repair their shoddy work and lose of use of vehicle whilst they messed it up.

As for screw cutting the muzzle of barrels i have said before that I am surprised that none of the folks doing this professionally seem to have the proper thread gauges which is very strange as the standards and tolerances for these threads have been laid down for a long time. I have not even seen the "Wires and Mics to check the effective diameters in use which must be the cheapest option for checking threads. One such type is the Ovee spring gauges.

Mate, you really have all the luck, don't you!

 

[JabaliHunter]

Hi , can i ask why Mike Norris would always re-crown after screw cutting? (if anybody does know why) I can understand it if you have had an amount of barrel removed but if only cutting a thread why the need to re-cut the crown if it is already ok?

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that when you clamp the barrel in the lathe, at the chamber end you can clamp to the outside of the barrel, but at the muzzle end you can't because you are threading the muzzle. I think they insert some kind of mandrel/plug to hold the muzzle end secure, which presumably contacts the lands. Therefore to make sure the job is 100%, re-crowning is a precaution. Maybe all of that depends on the type of lathe you have, or I'm just talking c*@p

 

[tika.308]

as for wd40 being flammable, if im rite in thinking its flammable in vapour, ie when sprayed onto a naked flame but once its settled on an object the vapour is gone and it wont burn. i cant believe how this thread has been dug out of the archives it was ages ago. and like it has been said mike norris is the man, and i didnt feel ripped off in any way at all, and i knock about with wadas and he is always trying to keep me in touch with his yorkshire prices

 

[Jelendeer]

Hi fellas,

Might interest you guys to have a gander at the following link.

Jelen Deer Services/Brock Norris Custom Rifles

Regards,

Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Jelen Deer- Committed to excellence

 

[deaf dog]

On the advice of a friend, I used Mike Norris recently to have my rifle screw cut for a moderator. I think what I paid is fair, in my opinion he went the extra mile, checking the rifling, stripping the bolt down etc (is this normal?). Importantly (for me) he talked me through the process he put my rifle barrel through, which has left me with complete confidence in my rifle ( and now I won't be blowing my hearing out every time I pull the trigger!)
Deaf Dog

 

[Brithunter]

Mate, you really have all the luck, don't you!

Sadly at the moment yes and it all seems to be bad. Like am now awaiting a call from the Hospital as they took mother in for tests earlier this evening. We thought 2010 was a bad un looks like 2011 is going to be worse.

As for the car it ran fine for 500 miles then died. We have waited months for bits. It sat outside the mechanics workshop whilst we waited for the dealer to get the bits that diagnotics threw up as faulty. We would never have any VAG vechicle again that's for sure. Not VW or Skoda which of course they now own.

 

[Brithunter]

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that when you clamp the barrel in the lathe, at the chamber end you can clamp to the outside of the barrel, but at the muzzle end you can't because you are threading the muzzle. I think they insert some kind of mandrel/plug to hold the muzzle end secure, which presumably contacts the lands. Therefore to make sure the job is 100%, re-crowning is a precaution. Maybe all of that depends on the type of lathe you have, or I'm just talking c*@p

Actually as very few barrel exteriors are concentric with the bore it's a bit more fiddly than it would seem at first. I put the barrel in a independent 4-jaw and clock the rifling lands up and using a DTI with a long probe run it down the land to make sure it's not sitting at an angle and that's just on my own barrel. You cannot cutt eh crown with a plug in the bore really.

 

[richardM695]

I'm really confused ;

It used to be that a moderator (T8) cost £300; which broke down as £200 for the mod and £100 for the screw cut.

For the £100, you got your barrel cut and proofed.

The screw cut on my rifle is proof stamped.

So; can someone explain to me what you get for £35?

My old man has a lathe, makes miniture steam engines which are pressure tested and certified for use in public, yet I'm ( and he) only happy for his skills to be put to use in boring out the delrin bush to the correct size.


Have I missed something here?

 

[EMcC]

£35 screwcutting,
£40 carriage to and from proof house,
£25 proofing,

 

[Brithunter]

Proofing is NOT a legal requirement despite what the proof house would like.

 

[buckup]

Labour Rates

Standard £5 per hour.
You want it done quickly £10 per hour.
You want to wait £15 per hour.
You want to watch me do it £20 per hour.
You already had a go at it before bringing it here £30 per hour.

 

[steyr]

i think putting your rifle in the hands of someone no matter what its value (it is your pride and joy!!!)..to have a thread cut on the end of your lovely barrel is a worrying thing to go through. i myself look at first and foremost a person that knows what there doing..ie..a rifle smith!! you could go to your nearest precision engineers who would cut a perfect thread!!..but would it be true to the bore,would the crown be damaged?..i for one am not willing to take that chance! so once Ive chosen a true rifle smith with a good reputation i would ask what he would charge and pay it!..my only issue with cost is... should i RFD it.. or take it there myself.

 

[Brithunter]

i think putting your rifle in the hands of someone no matter what its value (it is your pride and joy!!!)..to have a thread cut on the end of your lovely barrel is a worrying thing to go through. i myself look at first and foremost a person that knows what there doing..ie..a rifle smith!! you could go to your nearest precision engineers who would cut a perfect thread!!..but would it be true to the bore,would the crown be damaged?..i for one am not willing to take that chance! so once Ive chosen a true rifle smith with a good reputation i would ask what he would charge and pay it!..my only issue with cost is... should i RFD it.. or take it there myself.

It's your money and you may do with it as you wish .

 

[janner]

Dear cervus, the reason that a rifleshould always be recrowned after screwcutting is this. The barrel is run of a live center placed into a 60degree centred cut atthe muzzle. To obviate wear these centres have a cabide tip . this can and does bruise the ends of the lands and flatten them out into the grooves. this is extremely damaging to accuracy . so after cutting the thread concentric to the bore i then use a slave collar which is them itself cut true to the bore and a fixed three point steady is then set up on that collar with the live center still in place. with the steady now in place reomove the center and the barrel will now run true, and enable you to cut the crown and remove the bruised portion of the lands that always occurs. I hope this answers your question regards mike norris

 

[cervushunter]

Cheers mike, i understand how you do it now many thanks , I think two of my friends(Wayne and Chris) from Plymouth way are coming to see you soon

 

[Adamant]

Mike Norris is my local riflesmith of choice - he recently transformed my .223 by honing the trigger and bolt, and has worked on my other rifles as well as those of a number of stalking / hunting mates. Where else can you get top notch craftmanship, free advice on all things shooting / reloading related, a slice of cake and a constant stream of filthy jokes? All to a quality soundtrack of progressive rock...

I have a rimfire in my cabinet that was screwcut locally for £40, back when I didn't know any better. It's a real botch job - unfortunately I can't face the lecture I'll get from Mike if I take it to him to sort out, so it stays in the back of the cabinet

Adam.

 

[janner]

yes they arrived this morning bright and early and were away before noon. both guys very happy.
I have obseverved with intrest some of the comments raised here. hmmmm! interesting. The prices quoted quite obviously out of touch with the current economic climate or the cost of tooling neccesary to carry out the work. It would appear that there are individuals out there that want the work done, they want the quality . they want the accuracy. and they want it garenteed. These people want it now............. and they want you to do all this for nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well good people stop and consider yourself working for a loss once the cost of buisness premises. machinery , lighting power , tooling , tranport, v.a.t and import taxes are taken out.
I have had the comments before that .....oh yes I have a mate who can do that for me for nothing, or next to nothing. Or the classic your too bloody expensive mate. Well i strongly suggest that you have a look at what the accuracy smiths are charging for there services, and you will see that we are very reasonable. The gentleman from Wiltshire who intimated that I was overcharging by not offering breakfast should perhaps invest 10.5 k in a precision lathe excluding tooling, 20 k in reamers etc and other cutters and stock his workshop top to bottom with various shootinf equipment and consumables. and then charge his rates. Then after a short period of time he can then cry into his beer on line that he was unable to make a lliving and the shooting world had lost another assett.
why is is that a minority begrudge professional service and the the fact that we have to charge a fair rate to cover our not inconsiderable financial investment and our knowledge and accumen. Yes they WANT THE BEST. it is just that THEY DONT WANT TO PAY FOR IT. here endeth the lesson Mike Norris