Brexit

[jthyttin]

The EU has no power over anything except trade, environment and human rights

Under which of these three would you place e.g. firearms directive?

EU is just yet another layer(s) of corruption, political playground and a vehicle to **** over other people in pushing your selfish agenda (referring to politicians, not you).

 

[Highlandsjohn]

I personaly think the coallision of 27 member states through negotiation and democratic voting rather than a Hitler type domination by power represented a massive step forward in the evolution of the world.

Chasey, please stop with the bs, fortunately there are

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[finnbear270]

Chasey, please stop with the bs, fortunately there are

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I think Chasey got it right almost, Collision would have been my description

 

[Chasey]

Brexit is not over. We are not 100% committed to leave which is why debate like this is raging across forums in all walks of life

It was a referendum not an election. Under Article 50 we can reverse it, under EU law the Brexit winning margin was inadequate to force a decision

people deserve the right to see the actual deal we will be left with and vote on fact and not the rhetoric and blatent untruths of the previous reforendum.

People who think it will be painless are living in a fantasy land. We cant negotatiate external trade deals till we are out and trade deals take 5-10 years and another 5-10 for the effects to be felt. So even if we were to secure some amazing trade deal we would be looking at decades of WTO and the pain that will come with this.

We will lose our current level of benefit from the service sector, this will have to be made up for in austarety measures and taxation. Factories will move to the EU or demand subsadies from us which will further increase the tax burden. Jobs will be lost. The people of the UK are looking at inflation, increased taxation, loss of welfair and reduced conditions.

Pretending this is not the price we will pay is totally without supporting argument. The leaders of industry like Dyson who support Brexit, have much to gain for their buisneses who manufacture outside the EU and import under WTO rules. Their profits will sore post brexit and we will have no benefit from this.


People like me will keep plugging away to try and get the truth out there and change hearts and minds. Giving in to Brexit would be as unthinkable to me as giving in to the ideals of a bigoted masoganist like Trump just because he was elected.

 

[Pine Marten]

Right, I'm off to queue for two hours to cast Marine Le Pen back down the dark filthy pit she crawled out of.

 

[rodp]

Brexit is not over. We are not 100% committed to leave which is why debate like this is raging across forums in all walks of life

It was a referendum not an election. Under Article 50 we can reverse it, under EU law the Brexit winning margin was inadequate to force a decision But we won't be in the EU so that doesn't matter.

people deserve the right to see the actual deal we will be left with and vote on fact and not the rhetoric and blatent untruths of the previous reforendum.

People who think it will be painless are living in a fantasy land. We cant negotatiate external trade deals till we are out and trade deals take 5-10 years and another 5-10 for the effects to be felt. So even if we were to secure some amazing trade deal we would be looking at decades of WTO and the pain that will come with this. It takes the EU 5 or 10 years, a trade deal could be done in twenty minutes face to face. The following paperwork could be done in no time.

We will lose our current level of benefit from the service sector, this will have to be made up for in austarety measures and taxation. Factories will move to the EU or demand subsadies from us which will further increase the tax burden. Jobs will be lost. The people of the UK are looking at inflation, increased taxation, loss of welfair and reduced conditions. This is pure fantasy, you must sit down and dream of worst case scenario's. You have no possible indication any of this will happen, so far it's just the opposite.

Pretending this is not the price we will pay is totally without supporting argument. The leaders of industry like Dyson who support Brexit, have much to gain for their buisneses who manufacture outside the EU and import under WTO rules. Their profits will sore post brexit and we will have no benefit from this. So the retailers who sell these, and the service sector who repair them won't gain any benefit from increased sales due to the firm being profitable? I suppose we gain nothing from JLR being profitable either, non of the jobs they create are of any benefit?


People like me will keep plugging away to try and get the truth out there and change hearts and minds. Giving in to Brexit would be as unthinkable to me as giving in to the ideals of a bigoted masoganist like Trump just because he was elected No, people like you will keep whining because you don't fit in with the majority, and you don't like it. .

 

[Chasey]

Under which of these three would you place e.g. firearms directive?

EU is just yet another layer(s) of corruption, political playground and a vehicle to **** over other people in pushing your selfish agenda (referring to politicians, not you).

The clue is in the word "Directive" but its sneeked in under the new joint security agreement

My position is far from selfish. I left school at 16 dyslexic and with a CSE in metal work and made my first million by age 30. Ill be living on a beech when Brexit hits whatching the chaos on my laptop. Id be there now but I am just getting my two girls through uni and set up with a house and a job then we are off.

I am fighting for my kids not for me.

My daughter who got 13 A* and finished with three A was all set to earn a fortune in a legal job but has chosen to study for 7 years & work for the NHS for penuts.

Since the Brexit announcement she has lost all EU funding for her education and the Coservitives have just announced there will be no further UK government funding for her professional development.

That's the sort of thing I am fighting so hard against

If anyone could convince me that Brexit would leave this country stronger and in a better place for the general population, Id be its biggest fan.

I have seen not one single shread of hard evidence to support this

 

[deeangeo]

Brexit is not over. We are not 100% committed to leave which is why debate like this is raging across forums in all walks of life

It was a referendum not an election. Under Article 50 we can reverse it, under EU law the Brexit winning margin was inadequate to force a decision

people deserve the right to see the actual deal we will be left with and vote on fact and not the rhetoric and blatent untruths of the previous reforendum.

People who think it will be painless are living in a fantasy land. We cant negotatiate external trade deals till we are out and trade deals take 5-10 years and another 5-10 for the effects to be felt. So even if we were to secure some amazing trade deal we would be looking at decades of WTO and the pain that will come with this.

We will lose our current level of benefit from the service sector, this will have to be made up for in austarety measures and taxation. Factories will move to the EU or demand subsadies from us which will further increase the tax burden. Jobs will be lost. The people of the UK are looking at inflation, increased taxation, loss of welfair and reduced conditions.

Pretending this is not the price we will pay is totally without supporting argument. The leaders of industry like Dyson who support Brexit, have much to gain for their buisneses who manufacture outside the EU and import under WTO rules. Their profits will sore post brexit and we will have no benefit from this.


People like me will keep plugging away to try and get the truth out there and change hearts and minds. Giving in to Brexit would be as unthinkable to me as giving in to the ideals of a bigoted masoganist like Trump just because he was elected.

You're whinging like a good 'un.
We're coming out of the corrupt, disfunctional EU & either you emigrate to Europe or get used to the idea and make a positive contribution.
We will have our own country back and it will be up to all of us, however long it takes, to make a success of it.

 

[JTO]

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." - Mikhail Gorbachev

 

[Hornet 6]

A very lucid if desperately sad statement, thanks.

I put it to you that it doesn't bode well for the UK. And the EU didn't do that. We did.

In a around about way the EU did do it, they started the common market, we voted and decided to join.
The common market then decided to become the EU, and that we did not vote to join.

Desperately sad am I, maybe I am, sad about the way we have been lied to by the EU, sad that we have let out government
lie to us, hoodwink us.
Thinking about it probably about as sad as your country was when it was ruled by Berlin

You have in the past made it pretty clear where your beliefs lie, from our point of view it is different.
Because we are Englishman living in our own country and we want to be ruled by our elected government.
If you don't like that, or think it unfair then maybe, just maybe it is you who are wrong.

Neil.

 

[finnbear270]

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." - Mikhail Gorbachev

Never a more true thought.

 

[2130martin]

Very funny because the main reason I am anti Brexit is for the "normal people"

You are about to be screwed with a baseball bat of tax and loss of welfare and rights, and this concerns me

The porest of this country will suffer the most.

The loss of revenue for the UK will directly reflect in the reduction of government support for welfare

We fought in a world war FOR Europe and many Europien countries fought at our sides. There were more Polish airmen in Spitfires by the end of WWII than there were Brits.

I personaly feel the freedom to travel, live work in Europe was EXACTLY the sort of thing we fought for.

I personaly feel 27 member states working together for the beterment of the environment free trade and human rights, is something the people who faught in WWII would be hugely proud of

I personaly think the coallision of 27 member states through negotiation and democratic voting rather than a Hitler type domination by power represented a massive step forward in the evolution of the world.

Which is why I think we will be diminished by leaving

Your wrong,we fought in the Wars to prevent freedom to work or live anywhere in Europe,that was what Hitler wanted us to do in his superstate,we fought for independence the same as we voted for last June!!

 

[finnbear270]

GORRRBEEE, You can come out now, they've gone!

 

[rodp]

The clue is in the word "Directive" but its sneeked in under the new joint security agreement

My position is far from selfish. I left school at 16 dyslexic and with a CSE in metal work and made my first million by age 30. Ill be living on a beech when Brexit hits whatching the chaos on my laptop. Id be there now but I am just getting my two girls through uni and set up with a house and a job then we are off.

I am fighting for my kids not for me.

My daughter who got 13 A* and finished with three A was all set to earn a fortune in a legal job but has chosen to study for 7 years & work for the NHS for penuts.

Since the Brexit announcement she has lost all EU funding for her education and the Coservitives have just announced there will be no further UK government funding for her professional development.

That's the sort of thing I am fighting so hard against

If anyone could convince me that Brexit would leave this country stronger and in a better place for the general population, Id be its biggest fan.

I have seen not one single shread of hard evidence to support this

Well hurry up and s*d off then, and take your millions with you. It's now plainly obvious you wanted to stay in so you had the choice to just toddle off to wherever you pleased with no restrictions. Nice of you to think of your country first before personal comfort Trying to think what they called folk who jeopardised their country in the name of a so called superstate for personal gain ?

 

[finnbear270]

Hope Chasey won't fall off of his Beech tree.

 

[african jack]

Tony Blair

well hurry up and s*d off then, and take your millions with you. It's now plainly obvious you wanted to stay in so you had the choice to just toddle off to wherever you pleased with no restrictions. Nice of you to think of your country first before personal comfort trying to think what they called folk who jeopardised their country in the name of a so called superstate for personal gain ?

 

[tackb]

I am always fascinated by the claim we are managed by the EU?

The EU has no power over anything except trade, environment and human rights

ANY bill or law produced by the EU has to pass through our parliament and be agreed as we have the last line of control

SO what exactly are you concerned about? Could you give me an example of this opresive governance from the EU that we should have faught against?

Can you explain why we had the right to veto it but our government chose not to?

so what difference will it make when we leave ?

Your bleating on about the end being nigh when we leave the eu but then say to those looking for self governance that we already self govern , so what difference will it make ?

Time to get on board the leave train and help this country make ourselves great again and stop pulling against us that are trying to get on with life !

 

[tackb]

Brexit is not over. We are not 100% committed to leave which is why debate like this is raging across forums in all walks of life

It was a referendum not an election. Under Article 50 we can reverse it, under EU law the Brexit winning margin was inadequate to force a decision

people deserve the right to see the actual deal we will be left with and vote on fact and not the rhetoric and blatent untruths of the previous reforendum.

People who think it will be painless are living in a fantasy land. We cant negotatiate external trade deals till we are out and trade deals take 5-10 years and another 5-10 for the effects to be felt. So even if we were to secure some amazing trade deal we would be looking at decades of WTO and the pain that will come with this.

We will lose our current level of benefit from the service sector, this will have to be made up for in austarety measures and taxation. Factories will move to the EU or demand subsadies from us which will further increase the tax burden. Jobs will be lost. The people of the UK are looking at inflation, increased taxation, loss of welfair and reduced conditions.

Pretending this is not the price we will pay is totally without supporting argument. The leaders of industry like Dyson who support Brexit, have much to gain for their buisneses who manufacture outside the EU and import under WTO rules. Their profits will sore post brexit and we will have no benefit from this.


People like me will keep plugging away to try and get the truth out there and change hearts and minds. Giving in to Brexit would be as unthinkable to me as giving in to the ideals of a bigoted masoganist like Trump just because he was elected.

And you have no more convincing argument but instead of being negative you could become part of the solution ?

 

[User00025]

The clue is in the word "Directive" but its sneeked in under the new joint security agreement

My position is far from selfish. I left school at 16 dyslexic and with a CSE in metal work and made my first million by age 30. Ill be living on a beech when Brexit hits whatching the chaos on my laptop. Id be there now but I am just getting my two girls through uni and set up with a house and a job then we are off.

I am fighting for my kids not for me.

My daughter who got 13 A* and finished with three A was all set to earn a fortune in a legal job but has chosen to study for 7 years & work for the NHS for penuts.

Since the Brexit announcement she has lost all EU funding for her education and the Coservitives have just announced there will be no further UK government funding for her professional development.

That's the sort of thing I am fighting so hard against

If anyone could convince me that Brexit would leave this country stronger and in a better place for the general population, Id be its biggest fan.

I have seen not one single shread of hard evidence to support this

Hey Chasey, where did you make your first million? As far as I am concerned if you made it here and you leave I would not allow your sort back in at any time.
Five of my grandkids are all working hard here,they voted out and are quite prepared to do any work to avoid unemployment,and also to get out of the EU, deal or no deal. So it appears to me that we are not cheating on our grandkids by leaving the EU. They will all vote to get Mother Theresa back in power as they can see the futility of any other course,thank God.

 

[enfieldspares]

Yes I agree Dyson is no friend of the UK. Another morally bankrupt outsourcer of UK jobs.

Lining his own pocket whilst preaching "Brexit" being better for UK.

Now, whether it is, or whether it isn't Dyson is not your friend.