DURACOAT

[widows son]

Please educate me on the subject of painting weapons why!
A animal can smell you 100s of meters away ,can hear you at the same distances ,so the military have far different reasons for this, so why I'm puzzled by this .

I also have 20 odd years of a military background, starting off with a L42 sniper rifle ,and on to the Accuracy International sniper rifle so Ive enough knowledge of painted weapons within this type of concept, which are only coloured for desert ops, that's only because the other side have binos and a black barrel sticks out like a sore thumb .

Its often puzzled me why, no arguments required, only interested.

 

[Ronin]

The simple facts are this


you refuse to back up your allegations that the home base product is the same as the one produced by Lauer in the USA.

How have you come to this conclusion?


You say that it will be tested, who, when where how will it be conducted?



Could you advise what Volvo's have to do with coating products?


I have (as ive said) had a couple of my own rifles coated by Jager Sporting Arms and have been completely satisfied with the results.


Widows Son


why have rifles coated?

well for one they rust if they arent blued, parkersied or have some chemical treatment to prevent oxidisation (rust)

I wear camoflague or green brown clothing while stalking - strikes me that the rifle should be similar dull colours.


If (and I do not doubt your proffessional history) as you say you were around the military and specialist weapons for 20 yrs, you will know that during any deploymant (urban, forest, desert, etc etc) the rifleman will dress his weapon and himself to suit the conditions.

That may not be necessary for deer stalking, but I have had deer startled by the glint from a stainless barrel - so why not dress it down to suit the conditions and stop it happening again?

 

[Davie]

Red mist you say you have had a few Rifles coated by James who is not a qualified painter but was taken to this product for commercial gain nothing wrong with that THATS LIFE you are obvilously happy with the work that you got done at the price you paid. Now you ask why has a Volvo car got anything to do with this product well it is your specialised area but i will bet you do not know every test every component goes through before you get your finished product delivered to you .As stated nor do i so all the tests you want to be carried out on the tin of Duracoat will not be done by me because like you i can comment on the finished product the only bit i am interested in.
Now when your good friend James comes crying to you for support make sure it is not your selfishness that is driving you to post on here. Make sure you have the rest of the sites members at heart.
I will say it again this product is ideal for using on rifles and is extremely hard wearing and if any one wants a Diy coating this is the job

 

[griff]

After doing a little research I can tell you that DURACOAT is not the same as homebase duracoat..
The firearms coating product known as DURACOAT is a two pack and requires baking at 110deg C. and 3-6 weeks to cure fully.
The fact that homebase duracoat is in a aerosol makes it impossible for it to be a two pack, and does not require baking!
So sorry boys its not the same!

regards
griff

 

[widows son]

redmist thank for your input heres a few pic's good and bad examples of dressed weapons . as you can see no stainless steel Ive never likeed s/s myself .

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If you notice the last pic you'll see the guy with the yellow tag on his boots thats one of the things that give you away to sniper spotters

 

[Jager SA]

After doing a little research I can tell you that DURACOAT is not the same as homebase duracoat..
The firearms coating product known as DURACOAT is a two pack and requires baking at 110deg C. and 3-6 weeks to cure fully.
The fact that homebase duracoat is in a aerosol makes it impossible for it to be a two pack, and does not require baking!
So sorry boys its not the same!

regards
griff

Well said Griff, you beat me to it.

Now it really is clearly evident that 6.5x55 has a problem here, why that is only he can enlighten us?
This Homebase coating is very poor from what was shown and it will come off...I wouldnt want that anywhere near my chamber area for fear of getting that lodged inside...too scary to even think about it.

 

[Ronin]

6.5x55


I am more than happy with the product and service I paid for, I would say so otherwise.

I still fail to see what you are referring to regarding swedish cars

I do happen to know the owner of the business concerned, but I write this without having had any contact with them about the subject matter posted here.


I find your comment regarding selfishness interesting - you are the one stating that the home base product is the same as the duracoat product - in essense you are saying that people who are considering painting / coating their rifles should purchase the cheap spray paint and use it on their expensive rifles.

This product is not intended to be used on firearms - if something goes wrong with the can based product are YOU going to be the one who will stand up and say - "yes I recommended this product, its just the same as Duracoat, or I thought it was"

Who has the interests of the site members really in mind.....


By all means conduct your "test", I am pretty certain what the result will be.

BUT, please do not insult the intelligence of the site members here by insinuating that a tried and tested firearms specific coating is the same as a cheap can of diy paint...



Widows Son,


some nice photographs there, my own thoughts are the top two and the chap on the right in the last picture would have failed selection for the obvious failings in their prep.

(lack of cammo on the .50, bipod and bolt knob on the 2nd and the yellow stickers in the last pic)


Were these your own photographs?

 

[Davie]

Well said griff what a post you have realised that every tin of paint needs an undercoat unless its described as one coat YOU CAN PAY 700 - 900 FOR A CAR RESPRAY but you can get a can of touch up for smaller areas. Now a rifle is a very small area and can be done by some one with even a minimum of diy knowledge.
Is the tin of touch up the same as the can you can get or is it the pro sprayer that has had 4 years of apprenticeship that makes it a good job.
Now for me i wouldn't have some chap paint my rifle after only one or two days training i would do it my self.
Now you had a rifle done and put a picture up on UK varminting Andy The workmanship can only be described as shoddy . With regards Griff saying it needs two months to cure i am sure James clark was giving the rifles back days after .Or was that just to get the cash in
The choice is pay hundreds for a novice spray painter to do your rifle .
Or do it your self fpr as little as 6 pounds

 

[griff]

Two pack paint has hardener(catalyst) added at the time of spraying so it cures, any painter worth his salt would know this!
Homebase Duracoat does not have a hardener added in the can otherwise it would solid in the can in hours..
Undercoat has nothing to do with it!
Cellulose or acrylic requires no hardener and cures fast but is not hard,two pack contains cyoacrylate ,(I may of not got the correct spelling on that) its cyanide base so if you breath in the fumes it kills you unlike the other two..
So just crack on and spray whatever you want with Homebase duracoat.

regards
griff

 

[Jager SA]

Well said griff what a post you have realised that every tin of paint needs an undercoat unless its described as one coat YOU CAN PAY 700 - 900 FOR A CAR RESPRAY but you can get a can of touch up for smaller areas. Now a rifle is a very small area and can be done by some one with even a minimum of diy knowledge.
Is the tin of touch up the same as the can you can get or is it the pro sprayer that has had 4 years of apprenticeship that makes it a good job.
Now for me i wouldn't have some chap paint my rifle after only one or two days training i would do it my self.
Now you had a rifle done and put a picture up on UK varminting Andy The workmanship can only be described as shoddy . With regards Griff saying it needs two months to cure i am sure James clark was giving the rifles back days after .Or was that just to get the cash in
The choice is pay hundreds for a novice spray painter to do your rifle .
Or do it your self fpr as little as 6 pounds

It appears that you lack the ability to back your posts up with any fact whatsoever, where is the link to the shoddy work carried out on the rifle? Where do you get the prices of the work if you havent had any done?
Where does it say Duracoat needs and undercoat?
Sorry but in all of your posts there isnt a scrap of fact or evidence that you actually know anything about what you have written. Im sure we would all like to know how you come by all this info? Your above post is absolute gibberish, come on man give us some fact, give us the benefit of your extensive knowledge?

 

[Trapper]

Lighten up fellas !
Ferk sake its a tin of paint!
I wear teflon coated undies in dayglow orange for (red mist) , and olive drab, draws drac when I stalk!, sometimes , I wear the Mrs tights, but only after she has test fired em!.
I have yet to meet a deer that was concerned with the turn of my heel and a yellow tag! on my boot !. normally they are in front of me( deer that is) ! If you want to spray your weapon crack on with it , and good luck me deers!.
But I still swear I am a hessian fan !, and dress up for the occasion
A very merry grinchmas.
Regards Trapper( I am endex ) and a happy bun fight to you all!.

 

[Ronin]

Trapper


no bun fight with you at all.

Your opinions are welcome to me and if you are who you suggest, you have my respect.


Some people insist on stirring unsolicited rubbish with no factual evidence.. this thread was started by one such individual.


If the product was crap, I would wholeheartedly accept the fact, but its not...............

 

[griff]

Trapper,
no its not a bun fight! this site offers valuable information and advice, but when that info and advice is fundamentally flawed and the poster point blankly refuses to accept the facts and some poor unsuspecting member takes the advice and suffers the consequences, where does that leave us..

6.5x55

http://www.duracoat-firearm-finishes.com/

Click on the link and read the facts

it costs £70 1/2 ltr as opposed to £7 a can at Homebase..

regards
griff

 

[widows son]

Apologies trapper if what i asked is a bit to much to answer, i dont shoot with painted weapons or stainless steel I don't like as I dont like plastic stocks .
I put up these photos as a example of camouflage and its uses for what purpose it has , painting a weapon in my eyes it serves no purpose at all, as you also quite rightly said .

I'm not into ridicule of people that wish to do what ever to there weapons or how they dress Ive seen all sorts over the years, if it works for you or anyone great stuff.

If your into wearing your wife's under wear on yourself ,maybe this is the wrong site for that comment .

As I put at the first post I posted on the above subject it was a INTEREST thing not an argument .
Ive held a fac for 29 years its nice to see the whys and wherefores of others that's how we all learn.

 

[Davie]

You see upsetting some people is easy all you need to do is give them a DIY product that will do a job if they want and all hell brakes loose .
all the interested party,s jump on the post offering all types of technical info for a product that paints metal and is quite hard waring. They Dame the cheaper product with no facts about it. Now like i said all the directions are on the TIN it is easy to use and will last for years not my words there's.
With regards Andy's rifle being a mess and offering a link i cant get on the site, But i am sure James and Andrew will certainly remember the said post as it ran for a while and got quite embarrassing for the painter.
Like Trapper says its only paint stop making a fuss and let the post die/

 

[Ronin]

6.5x55


I do not recall any embarrassment / dissatisfaction about any stock or rifle action I have had coated using duracoat.

I recall some bickering (like this thread in fact) from an uninformed individual who refused to accept that a stock was finished and looked "lumpy", despite the fact that the stock in question had moulded in "texture" so the surface remained grippy when wet or damp.

The argument revolved around the opinion from one individual that the finish was not right, despite the fact the underlying surface was prepared by the stock maker to be that way.


Once again, you are attempting (feebly) to stirr trouble and dissinformation about a tried and reliable product which you know nothing about.

There are those who are happy with standard out the box rifles, there are those who like semi custom or custom builds.

When one has a custom build, you have the opportunity to personalise your rifle how YOU want it, it called being an individual.



I really do look forward to the test..

 

[Jager SA]

You see upsetting some people is easy all you need to do is give them a DIY product that will do a job if they want and all hell brakes loose .
all the interested party,s jump on the post offering all types of technical info for a product that paints metal and is quite hard waring. They Dame the cheaper product with no facts about it. Now like i said all the directions are on the TIN it is easy to use and will last for years not my words there's.
With regards Andy's rifle being a mess and offering a link i cant get on the site, But i am sure James and Andrew will certainly remember the said post as it ran for a while and got quite embarrassing for the painter.
Like Trapper says its only paint stop making a fuss and let the post die/

After a little bit of co-operation and phone calls I have managed to get a link to the site where 6.5x55 has said the post was embarrassing to the painter and the work being so substandard.
Now my guess is the one with all the wind is Wireviz and there does seem to be a trend with the nature of his posts...!

Please feel free to read the thread yourselves.

http://ukvarminting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2562&st=60

 

[JAYB]

Gents,

I think enough is enough, there is no future in this thread and I would guess it is of little benefit to anyone. What we have here appears to be two products sharing the same name, ingredients and claims to fame. The radical price difference would suggest that one is better than the other, but that it not for me or this site to comment on.

It may be that one is just a diluted form of the other and may do the job for a short while and then need replacing, who knows? IanF has offered to paint a rifle with the the DIY Duracoat and give us his opinion of that, we have had views on the professionally applied coating. Now I suggest that we wait for Ian to do his rifle and then you can come to your own conclusions. So in the meantime no more "goading" type of posts.

Thank you

John, with my admin hat on

 

[IanF]

Folks

As has been said - my rifle needs a recoat after five years of abuse.

Sometime over the xmas break, I will take a look at both products and come to a decision as to what ends up on my rifle. I'm not promising a professional job of work - my skills lie elsewhere.

What I will do is tell you what I think - after that, as now, you make up your own mind.

Rgds Ian

 

[Tee2]

Ian

Are you intending on using the Duracoat coatings as supplied by Midway.Which are the same as those used by Jager Sporting.

Or are you intending on using the Homebase spray paints.