Fac air is it worth it ?

[One on top of two]

There are some very good reduced power .22 RF rounds available CCI quiet target are real good when you need to shoot up into the trees ( safely )

Like i said IF your RFD can get hold of them and IF your barrel like them .

Air rifle slugs and pellets can be bought from anywhere that sells them , no restrictions what so ever , delivered next day by postie or courier at a fraction of the cost .
And 100% more accurate

 

[Bowland blades]

Like i said IF your RFD can get hold of them and IF your barrel like them .

Air rifle slugs and pellets can be bought from anywhere that sells them , no restrictions what so ever , delivered next day by postie or courier at a fraction of the cost .
And 100% more accurate

Same applies to anything . Any reasonable RFD can bring in a brick of CCi but most larger shops will have some. Not here but its very , very much cheaper than chucking above a grand on an FAC pcp and the slugs and charging kit .

 

[One on top of two]

Same applies to anything . Any reasonable RFD can bring in a brick of CCi but most larger shops will have some. Not here but its very , very much cheaper than chucking above a grand on an FAC pcp and the slugs and charging kit .

Who needs to spend a grand ?

Stop chatting shite ! Like i said your a decade out of date .

 

[Bowland blades]

Who needs to spend a grand ?

Stop chatting shite ! Like i said your a decade out of date .

Gun , Charging Kit and ammo and another scope ? Against going into your rfd and picking up a single box of quiets ? £150 will get you a used CZ .22 ?

 

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Gun , Charging Kit and ammo and another scope ? Against going into your rfd and picking up a single box of quiets ? £150 will get you a used CZ .22 ?

Of course everyone wants to go buy a piece of second hand crap thats been kicking about in the back of a landie for the past 10 yrs , a new cheap rimfire set up ( cz 452 = £495 CZ mounts £50 Sound mod £50 -£70

A new CZ 45? Whatever is £1200+ ……. For a CZ . Thats more £150 than i paid for my anni 1416 walnut thumbhole !

You need to throw that copy of 1992 airgun world magazine tucked up under your bed in the wheelie bin !

 

[villaman]

Same applies to anything . Any reasonable RFD can bring in a brick of CCi but most larger shops will have some. Not here but its very , very much cheaper than chucking above a grand on an FAC pcp and the slugs and charging kit .

That if your local RFD has them plus you can’t buy on line , have to remember to take your certificate, .22lr ammo more expensive, most subs aren’t that accurate past 100 or so yards , when slugs will be . The list goes on & on in favour for FAC air

 

[Overlay]

I’m using a pcp 12ft lbs .177 to very good effect out to 35 yds after that I use the 22 Rimmy on feral pigeons, Rats , Rabbits and squirrels - get your range and safe shot right they will fall over, to be honest fac air rifle seem to be in the middle but if it goes wrong it’s another rifle which equals another variation and they don’t re sale very well for some reason
I can’t fault my 12 ft lb air rifle, i have thought about it going to fac type but

 

[Rob22]

I started with a Air Arms S410 as first FAC air, did the job but then I went for a FX Impact M3 - initially with .30cal barrel but now have a .22 barrel as well - this thing is in a different world - super accurate and quiet - as others have said they are easy to upset if you don't understand them and you definitely need to understand them



2 different profiles on scope (DS35) for 42ft lb and 20ft lb - in 30 seconds I can change it between then 2. Not a cheap bit of kit but very versatile.

You could pick up a Wildcat Mk3 around £1k which has variable power and that would certainly do the job

 

[Bowland blades]

That if your local RFD has them plus you can’t buy on line , have to remember to take your certificate, .22lr ammo more expensive, most subs aren’t that accurate past 100 or so yards , when slugs will be . The list goes on & on in favour for FAC air

Plainly you haven't done much with 22 LR , you should look into the true facts ! Personally i have put eight through a single bullet hole , i didn't miss with two more because i seriously thought something had gone wrong . More expensive than slugs? Dont really know but few will buy less than a a brick a time ( 500 rounds) more than slugs ? Don't know tbf perhaps but they are far from expensive the cheapest stuff you can get for any powder burning gun . Reliability and life ? pretty much forever had mine above 20 years , never changed a part never had an issue . Really cannot say thats the case with PCP from when i competed in FT and HFT events .
I bet there are loads more guys on here running RF than PCP . Again £150 up SH ( lot less at auction) will get you a good one , would that get a Spanish made BSA ? nothing that really wears out and no leaks to sort , charging gear to test / replace
The airgun remains the boss inside Barns culling Ferals and rat or in suburban gardens though . 5 fps variance or less on my lazerglide built to my detail by Steve Pope I am no airgun hater , just saying how it is . The 22 LR can shoot ammo designed to be just as powerful as 15-20 ft lb right up to the HV stuff like my favourite CCi Velocitors that take 100 yard shots just as good as my 22 hornet , 223 etc etc and very useable up to 140 . Go on the U-tube and you will find folks shooting much further on paper .
Do check out what decent 22 rf fetch SH the price of a brick ( 500 rounds ) and how well they shoot without very much maintenance indeed any maintenance at all in the hands of many

 

[Bo Diddley]

I can’t fault my 12 ft lb air rifle, i have thought about it going to fac type but

Perfectly said... "can't fault" your sub 12ft lb air rifle ... fac is exactly the same, just a little more powerful.
Indeed any of the FX range are made to be Fac rifles, just adjusted downwards for the crazy UK market

 

[Bowland blades]

Perfectly said... "can't fault" your sub 12ft lb air rifle ... fac is exactly the same, just a little more powerful.
Indeed any of the FX range are made to be Fac rifles, just adjusted downwards for the crazy UK market

TBF 12 ftlb is very handy for many folks and many jobs . 15 ft lb does make a far better tool hunting the hedgerows or moor for rabbits 40- 45 yards reasonable shooting trajectory window rather than 35-40 with the 22 pellets.
Having seen accidents with off ticket airguns and many folks doing daft things i am not against the limits we have " off ticket " though .

 

[Klenchblaize]

I’ll let you know, and if it doesn’t workout? See you in the SD Classifieds!

A 4-power scope is all you need for tree rats - 2.5 even better. 6-power is often too much as you need to lift your eye from the aim to re-locate where the wee fooooker is!

K

 

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@Klenchblaize very nice bit of kit there . Is it sub 12 of fac ?

Also what are those rather sexy looking mounts you have on there ?

 

[villaman]

Plainly you haven't done much with 22 LR , you should look into the true facts ! Personally i have put eight through a single bullet hole , i didn't miss with two more because i seriously thought something had gone wrong . More expensive than slugs? Dont really know but few will buy less than a a brick a time ( 500 rounds) more than slugs ? Don't know tbf perhaps but they are far from expensive the cheapest stuff you can get for any powder burning gun . Reliability and life ? pretty much forever had mine above 20 years , never changed a part never had an issue . Really cannot say thats the case with PCP from when i competed in FT and HFT events .
I bet there are loads more guys on here running RF than PCP . Again £150 up SH ( lot less at auction) will get you a good one , would that get a Spanish made BSA ? nothing that really wears out and no leaks to sort , charging gear to test / replace
The airgun remains the boss inside Barns culling Ferals and rat or in suburban gardens though . 5 fps variance or less on my lazerglide built to my detail by Steve Pope I am no airgun hater , just saying how it is . The 22 LR can shoot ammo designed to be just as powerful as 15-20 ft lb right up to the HV stuff like my favourite CCi Velocitors that take 100 yard shots just as good as my 22 hornet , 223 etc etc and very useable up to 140 . Go on the U-tube and you will find folks shooting much further on paper .
Do check out what decent 22 rf fetch SH the price of a brick ( 500 rounds ) and how well they shoot without very much maintenance indeed any maintenance at all in the hands of many

I don’t think you have done much with the modern FAC air & slugs
110 yards

 

[Bowland blades]

I don’t think you have done much with the modern FAC air & slugs
110 yards

A £150 CZ off the second hand rack will do that and better and here is the big one ( coming from an ex-field target shooter btw) It wont let you down with leaks and other technical issues . I really appreciate the fact that air power is an interest /hobby in itself to many , fiddling with this that and another thing to make things better or fixing stuff that plays up . That said the RF was the cartridge that came before the CF a few hundred years ago and the straight 22lr is and remains the worlds most popular firearm .
A guy can buy into a decent deer syndicate for the cost difference . Whatever floats your boat but " better " than a 22lr technically or cost efficient year on year? ( remembering the charging kit, maintenance especially so ) 22 rf still knocks that out the park. A lot of folks have never actually cleaned the bore in their 22 rf in decades and the things still shoot , while the PCP tends to need things replacing on a rolling basis
As i say i have done a lot of air gunning and am an ex FT competitor from the days before knock down targets to around 12-13 years back . I have two air rifles because they are very handy for some jobs . My first PCP was a sportsmatch GC2 , which was i think early to mid 90s ? My main use airgun is a special HW80 that the late Steve pope built for me in the webley factory as the plant was in its last days , it sees quite regular use on ferals in barns and ratting

 

[villaman]

A £150 CZ off the second hand rack will do that and better and here is the big one ( coming from an ex-field target shooter btw) It wont let you down with leaks and other technical issues . I really appreciate the fact that air power is an interest /hobby in itself to many , fiddling with this that and another thing to make things better or fixing stuff that plays up . That said the RF was the cartridge that came before the CF a few hundred years ago and the straight 22lr is and remains the worlds most popular firearm .
A guy can buy into a decent deer syndicate for the cost difference . Whatever floats your boat but " better " than a 22lr technically or cost efficient year on year? ( remembering the charging kit, maintenance especially so ) 22 rf still knocks that out the park. A lot of folks have never actually cleaned the bore in their 22 rf in decades and the things still shoot , while the PCP tends to need things replacing on a rolling basis

Well one of the fao told me more and more are going down the FAC air route than .22lr and many more are taking .22 lr of the certificate and going FAC air for a very good reason . I hardly take my .22 lr out in the field any more

 

[Bowland blades]

Well one of the fao told me more and more are going down the FAC air route than .22lr and many more are taking .22 lr of the certificate and going FAC air for a very good reason . I hardly take my .22 lr out in the field any more

I have never taken what an FEO reports as gospel and the vast majority have zero field experience with any quarry shooting though. If some folks like them they should if they enjoy it fair do ! Its a hobby in itself lets face it . There is however not really many practical benefits and a whopping great extra cost for the rifle plus all the charging kit and extra maintenance / repairs

 

[Bowland blades]

I’ll let you know, and if it doesn’t workout? See you in the SD Classifieds!
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A 4-power scope is all you need for tree rats - 2.5 even better. 6-power is often too much as you need to lift your eye from the aim to re-locate where the wee fooooker is!

K

Is that sling made by Robert Radcliffe? recognise the touchmark

 

[villaman]

I have never taken what an FEO reports as gospel and the vast majority have zero field experience with any quarry shooting though. If some folks like them they should if they enjoy it fair do ! Its a hobby in itself lets face it . There is however not really many practical benefits and a whopping great extra cost for the rifle plus all the charging kit and extra maintenance / repairs

Even my local RFD said he hardly sells .22 ammo but 10 of thousand of pellets

 

[Klenchblaize]

Is that sling made by Robert Radcliffe? recognise the touchmark

No. And it’s not finished - working on it as I write.

K