FAC air vs 12ft/lb?
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Carlsuffolk
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I use sub 12 and fac air, for ground, anything up in the tree or possibly flying in or out of, I use a .410 with subsonic and moderator does the job and on a sgc
You mentioned Matt manning why do you think he uses daystate , MTC scopes and sports match scope rings . only one reason , he gets paid from them one way or another
Yes FAC air is definitely worth it , specially the fx range of guns where you can change ftlbs with in seconds including adjusting scope
Yes FAC air is definitely worth it , specially the fx range of guns where you can change ftlbs with in seconds including adjusting scope
Its a sorry thing that Journalists seem have to make their expenses or living as salesmen today !
Bo Diddley
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I'm thinking of an AGT Vulcan 3 7000mm in .25 fac... all I hear are good things about them.. blinding accuracy and zero issues with reliability.. you have to embrace the future...
My Daystate LR90FTR .177 is FAC and runs at just under 1000 fps. Best pellet is the long discontinued FTS. Currently using heavy Crossman Premiers. It was a better when it was sub 12 ftlb. If I was buying a FAC air rifle again I would go .22.
In my youth wore out 2x BSA Mercuries in .22. Accounted for many hundred squirrels pigeon and rabbits. Odd hare. Last one home tuned. HW77k shooting super domes was a very accurate again tweeked with a maximiser kit.
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In my youth wore out 2x BSA Mercuries in .22. Accounted for many hundred squirrels pigeon and rabbits. Odd hare. Last one home tuned. HW77k shooting super domes was a very accurate again tweeked with a maximiser kit.
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Yes as we go on Ftlb energy face 177 Fac offered little for the hassles . Its likely changed now with slugs rather than skirted pellets perhaps? With the PCP and then the higher power heavy Slugs and higher energy its being an interest in it own right ( not for me personally though) I like very practical , very reliable in all my kit so I shall remain lower power Air well inside of 30 ft pound max . RF can do that sort of level of course with the CCI quiet but they are a 40 grain , fine for shooting at an inclined angle ( horizontal and inclined drop is govened by horizontal distance traveled of course ) Not so loopy at all when shot inclined - but a flat 50 yard shot will curve down fast to be expected with 40 grain at i forget what actual speed - 500 as a wild guess ?
I’ve come to this late in life, having last owned and shot a FWB 124 (or was it 7?) in 177 at c12ft/lbs back in 1979! Fast forward to 2024 and I’m feeling my way with a rather delightful FAC-rated PCP in 22.
All I can say with any confidence is if you wish to shoot squirrel or rabbit at 50 yards with a pellet of circa 17 grains, and with assured accuracy, get a FAC rated air-rifle with a rating around the 35ft/lb mark.
Going for a larger calibre with an incremental increase in pellet/slug weight and with greater energy does make one question how close they come to 22lr ballistics. The point being you wouldn’t send a 40gr .22lr bullet skyward.
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All I can say with any confidence is if you wish to shoot squirrel or rabbit at 50 yards with a pellet of circa 17 grains, and with assured accuracy, get a FAC rated air-rifle with a rating around the 35ft/lb mark.
Going for a larger calibre with an incremental increase in pellet/slug weight and with greater energy does make one question how close they come to 22lr ballistics. The point being you wouldn’t send a 40gr .22lr bullet skyward.
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Muffin man
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I have one in .22 shooting 36-40grain hollow point slugs upto and over 1000fps and it’s brilliant. Quiet deadly accurate out to ridiculous ranges for an air rifle
While i get where your coming from, there are folks safely shooting 22 LR skywards perfectly safely . 22LR comes in various formats and you can purchase the like of CCI reduced power , perfect for shooting squirrels etc . Trajectory is lets say very loopy however drop in the trajectory path is as we should all know is governed by horizontal distance travelled NOT length of the bullets path .
Yes i get your point a 40 grain projectile at around 1000 fps is exactly the same if it is fired as a RF or Airgun
We read so much BS about RF being more dangerous to use than FAC air , It really does not make any difference what powered the bullet its just the mass and the velocity
RF ammo can be purchased in many forms and power levels and airguns can be set up to shoot less than 6 ftlb up to specials with enough to kill deer under many nations laws .
A safe shot and an unsafe shot is all about the Nut behind the butt who tales it or declines
Muffin man
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Good video showing the expansion of Zan slugs shot at 90fpe on rabbits
Yep Steve Brew who did the vid and knows his stuff with air & powder guns
Muffin man
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The expansion on them is brilliant perfect for the job
Absolutely. Sort of.
I think most FAC air in this country is chosen specifically so that it is indeed less-powerful than standard .22LR so as to make it safely usable in places where the .22RF would present an unacceptable risk. In my case, ~30ftlb at the muzzle with 18grain pellets.
Therefore to maintain that the more-common FAC airguns in this country are less hazardous over a smaller danger-area than rimfires firing the more-common kinds of ammuntion is probably not really BS at all.
Had I chosen an FAC air-rifle firing 40grain slugs at 950fps, then that would have been a BS decision - since I have a .22LR that will do that for me.
Yes but you have a choice of pellets or slugs at different weights , different speeds and even under sub 12 as well . FAC air is the most versatile gun out of the two , FAC air & .22lr
Muffin man
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Absolutely
30 ft lb is 30 ft lb . Air or powder , its just the lighter projectile will be a lot flatter trajectory ( indeed that can arguably a higher risk ) . I say arguable because it depends on the situation faced
I'm happy that under situations I face, a diabolo pellet of 18grains starting with 30ftlb can not in any way be considered a higher risk than a 40gr slug/bullet with at least twice the energy.
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