Finally...the tide of opinion is turning

[zambezi]

The Canadian truckers convoy converging on the seat of government has huge national support. Nearly no TV coverage. But millions in funding via small private donations.

The lesson seems to be that the democratic will has found [ahem] a vehicle for expression. Bravo.

 

[Rasputin]

The Canadian truckers convoy converging on the seat of government has huge national support. Nearly no TV coverage. But millions in funding via small private donations.

The lesson seems to be that the democratic will has found [ahem] a vehicle for expression. Bravo.

The fact that leftard moron Trudeau has had to go into hiding makes this even better. I hope they channel their French roots and do a peasants revolt on him. Bloody cretin.

 

[mealiejimmy]

With over 80% of Canadians vaccinated, the description of this motley band of right wing wackaloons (including a small number of truck drivers) is correctly described as "small fringe minority"
A bit like the "fringe minority" of wackaloon members of this site really

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Sharpie]

24 day isolation for household close contacts. You ,I together we can eliminate the virus based on the best NZ medical advice.

What outstanding leadership. It would make Fair Hill proud they have stuck to their guns and through 24 day isolation will eliminate the virus showing the world how its done.

I do sympathise.

In England, now, basically if you think you might have it, take a diy lateral flow antigen test.

If it's negative, crack on.

If its positive, you've almost certainly got it. No need for any other testing now, don't bother getting a PCR test (which could identify the variant, but we're not really interested about that it seems, at the moment, it will almost certainly be Omicron). This is now the govt. advice, i.e. don't bother going for a PCR test.

Isolate for ten days. Or less if you pass two diy lateral flow tests two days in a row, starting five days after your positive one, or when you first noticed symptoms, whichever came first. Could be out again on day six. But, as I said, you could still be testing positive for a week, before it clears.

If you have been in "close contact" with someone who has it, don't worry. If you have had at least two vaccinations, crack on.

From Feb. 11, provided you are vaxxed, you may leave and return to the UK without any testing or isolation. Destination countries of course may have more stringent requirements.

Stay at home: guidance for households with possible or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

1. What has changed
The self-isolation advice for people with coronavirus (COVID-19) has changed. It is now possible to end self-isolation after 5 full days if you have 2 negative LFD tests taken on consecutive days. The first LFD test should not be taken before the fifth day after your symptoms started (or the day your test was taken if you did not have symptoms). The self-isolation period remains 10 full days for those without negative results from 2 LFD tests taken a day apart.

4. What is meant by a contact
A contact is a person who has been close to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. You can be a contact any time from 2 days before the person who tested positive developed their symptoms (or, if they did not have any symptoms, from 2 days before the date their positive test was taken) and up to 10 days after – as this is when they can pass the infection on to others. A risk assessment may be undertaken to determine this, but a contact can be:

anyone who lives in the same household as another person who has COVID-19 symptoms or has tested positive for COVID-19
anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19:
face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)
A person may also be a close contact if they have travelled in the same vehicle or plane as a person who has tested positive for COVID-19.

5. What to do if you are a contact of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19
If you are informed by NHS Test and Trace that you are a contact of someone who has had a positive LFD or PCR test result for COVID-19, you are legally required to stay at home and self-isolate unless you meet one of the following conditions:

you are fully vaccinated. Fully vaccinated means you have had 2 doses of an approved vaccine such as Pfizer BioNTech, AstraZeneca or Spikevax (formerly Moderna); you are also fully vaccinated if you have had one dose of the single-dose Janssen vaccine
you are aged under 18 years old
you have taken part in or are currently part of an approved COVID-19 vaccine trial
you are not able to get vaccinated for medical reasons
If you are not legally required to self-isolate, follow the guidance below for contacts who are not required to self-isolate.

You may also be informed by the NHS Test and Trace app that you are a contact of someone who has had a positive LFD or PCR test result for COVID-19. In this case you should follow the advice provided within the app.

Changes to international travel rules from 11 February 2022
If you arrive in England after 4am, 11 February, the following rules will apply.

Fully vaccinated – from 11 February
If you qualify as fully vaccinated for travel to England, you:

will not need to take a COVID-19 test before you travel to England or after you arrive
will not need to quarantine when you arrive

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020

Offences
11.—(1) A person who contravenes a requirement in regulations 2, 7, 8 or 9 without reasonable excuse commits an offence.

(2) A person who contravenes a requirement to self-isolate under regulation 2 without reasonable excuse and in doing so—

(a)has reason to believe they will come into close contact with another person or group;
(b)does then come into close contact with another person or group;
(c)is reckless as to the consequences of that close contact for the health of that other person or group;
commits an offence.

Of course, if you are not fully vaccinated, all of these things are more onerous. And this is England only, so far.

 

[Rasputin]

With over 80% of Canadians vaccinated, the description of this motley band of right wing wackaloons (including a small number of truck drivers) is correctly described as "small fringe minority"
A bit like the "fringe minority" of wackaloon members of this site really

Cheers

Bruce

Small number that made a convoy 80km long. Plus many more people out on support which must be scary for the powers at be that 20% can frightening the majority of vaxxed up appeasers.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Just more of your usual irrelevant pish

Cheers

Bruce

 

[alberta boy]

With over 80% of Canadians vaccinated, the description of this motley band of right wing wackaloons (including a small number of truck drivers) is correctly described as "small fringe minority"
A bit like the "fringe minority" of wackaloon members of this site really

Cheers

Unfortunately , you're grossly misinformed . In actuality , roughly 90 % of the truckers are double or triple vaccinated , you can check that number yourself , they are NOT anti vaxxers . The latest RCMP numbers on the amount of people in the convoy and at the protest is between 1 and 1.5 million people , again , you can check . They have raised over 7 miilion dollars in less than a week , to put that into perspective , it took the Liberal party almost a year to raise 15 million for their campaign funding . The media in this country , and especially in the UK , are very left leaning . Our own media has been caught in a number of outright lies already . My favourite was the one about Putin funding the protest lol . The local Cree band leaders donated over 20 thousand to the convoy to cover their costs for fuel and food . There are a lot of first nations truckers in this province , they live in remote areas . Everything they , and for that matter , you and me as well , own , eat , wear , name it , at one time was on a truck . The Sikh community out here , which is huge , also contributed hundreds of thousands towards the convoy . It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing , religion or race , the media is desperately trying to make it look that way though . The people in these trucks were lauded as heros all during the pandemic because they kept all of us fed , clothed and warm during the pandemic . They went to work everyday when there was no vaccine and many paid the ultimate price , all the while our fearless leaders hid in their basements and worked from the safety of their homes . Our Prime Minister , and it sickens me to have to call him that , is currently in hiding after supposedly being exposed to Covid 19 . He's triple vaccinated , he tested negative and , by the governments own regulations , is perfectly able to go about normal government business . But he didn't , he's dropped off the face of the planet , a coward . I'm actually a bit surprised it even made it on to the UK newsfeed , it's been completely absent for the two weeks , yes , two weeks , that this has been going on . Maybe it took your media , like ours , a while to figure out how to spin this in their favour . Most expected the media to react as they have , anyone who doesn't follow the party line is automatically , racist , fascist , right wing , nazi , insert name here . Most people however , realise that it's not the case , Canadians are just sick of divisive and destructive Liberal party policies , including some of their new gun control policies . The protest is about a lot of things , but the media wants you to believe that they're anti vaxxers , they're not . This protest is about government over reach , Canadians are a patient and polite people , but they've had enough and are angry . As the saying goes , beware the anger of a patient man . You can believe that it's a small fringe minority if you like , but I watched it go by , for over 4 hours , it isn't . It's a large group of Canadians from all across the political spectrum , every race and every religion , who've had enough of an incompetent government , it makes me proud to be a Canadian .

AB

 

[mchughcb]

Unfortunately , you're grossly misinformed . In actuality , roughly 90 % of the truckers are double or triple vaccinated , you can check that number yourself , they are NOT anti vaxxers . The latest RCMP numbers on the amount of people in the convoy and at the protest is between 1 and 1.5 million people , again , you can check . They have raised over 7 miilion dollars in less than a week , to put that into perspective , it took the Liberal party almost a year to raise 15 million for their campaign funding . The media in this country , and especially in the UK , are very left leaning . Our own media has been caught in a number of outright lies already . My favourite was the one about Putin funding the protest lol . The local Cree band leaders donated over 20 thousand to the convoy to cover their costs for fuel and food . There are a lot of first nations truckers in this province , they live in remote areas . Everything they , and for that matter , you and me as well , own , eat , wear , name it , at one time was on a truck . The Sikh community out here , which is huge , also contributed hundreds of thousands towards the convoy . It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing , religion or race , the media is desperately trying to make it look that way though . The people in these trucks were lauded as heros all during the pandemic because they kept all of us fed , clothed and warm during the pandemic . They went to work everyday when there was no vaccine and many paid the ultimate price , all the while our fearless leaders hid in their basements and worked from the safety of their homes . Our Prime Minister , and it sickens me to have to call him that , is currently in hiding after supposedly being exposed to Covid 19 . He's triple vaccinated , he tested negative and , by the governments own regulations , is perfectly able to go about normal government business . But he didn't , he's dropped off the face of the planet , a coward . I'm actually a bit surprised it even made it on to the UK newsfeed , it's been completely absent for the two weeks , yes , two weeks , that this has been going on . Maybe it took your media , like ours , a while to figure out how to spin this in their favour . Most expected the media to react as they have , anyone who doesn't follow the party line is automatically , racist , fascist , right wing , nazi , insert name here . Most people however , realise that it's not the case , Canadians are just sick of divisive and destructive Liberal party policies , including some of their new gun control policies . The protest is about a lot of things , but the media wants you to believe that they're anti vaxxers , they're not . This protest is about government over reach , Canadians are a patient and polite people , but they've had enough and are angry . As the saying goes , beware the anger of a patient man . You can believe that it's a small fringe minority if you like , but I watched it go by , for over 4 hours , it isn't . It's a large group of Canadians from all across the political spectrum , every race and every religion , who've had enough of an incompetent government , it makes me proud to be a Canadian .

AB

Same in Australia and they also are driving their trucks to Parliament house in protest this morning.

 

[mchughcb]

I do sympathise.

No need to sympathize. We need to lockdown harder to eliminate the virus based on the best medical advice. Australia is locking down in the Territory to eliminate the virus and WA has been closed indefinately. NZ is really leading the way now, not quite as hard as the CCP but its almost there.

You, I , Big Ears, Fair Hill and Bob the Dug we can eliminate this virus from the this planet if we just all do our part and lockdown harder.

 

[Rasputin]

See it looks like Javid will finalise the fact nhs workers don’t have to have their jabs after all. Can’t wait for the lawyers to have a field day about this for stress and anxiety it’s causes staff members.

Once again the minority have broken the majority. What an excellent day.

 

[Buchan]

See it looks like Javid will finalise the fact nhs workers don’t have to have their jabs after all. Can’t wait for the lawyers to have a field day about this for stress and anxiety it’s causes staff members.

Once again the minority have broken the majority. What an excellent day.

Sadly it does indeed look like a vicotry for those of a curious or perverse view. I noted that the highest bracket of NHS workers were the "alternative" practitioners.

 

[zambezi]

I noted that the highest bracket of NHS workers were the "alternative" practitioners.

That slur against intellectual critique of these vaccines does not marry well with the highly articulate doctor talking to Javid on the Sky clip already in wide circulation. His simple use of science drove a cart and horses through any vaccine mandate.

Nor does it mesh well with the demographic of covid-vaccine-averse established by the Carnegie Mellon university in the USA. I.e. it is the tertiary educated that are the most averse:

 

[Rasputin]

Sadly it does indeed look like a vicotry for those of a curious or perverse view. I noted that the highest bracket of NHS workers were the "alternative" practitioners.

They fact is that many have been forced to have it for fear or losing their jobs. The real apathy is considerably broader in nature. There is absolutely nothing perverse about rejecting or questioning a government mandated vaccine as per terms of your employment.

 

[flatliner]

They fact is that many have been forced to have it for fear or losing their jobs. The real apathy is considerably broader in nature. There is absolutely nothing perverse about rejecting or questioning a government mandated vaccine as per terms of your employment..

........ for which the manufacturers accept no liability

 

[mchughcb]

They fact is that many have been forced to have it for fear or losing their jobs. The real apathy is considerably broader in nature. There is absolutely nothing perverse about rejecting or questioning a government mandated vaccine as per terms of your employment.

Dude you have hit the nail on the head. Everybody I ask under 40 why did you get the vaccine and they said because I didn't want to lose my job. I don't give a toss about covid but I care if I lose my job and then potentially my home.
People over 65 say because I want to stay out of hospital.

In other words the takeup rate would have been a whole lot different in Australia. Don't believe the rhetoric from the numpties the only reason we've got 93% vaccination rates is because those under 40 were worried about their income.

 

[zambezi]

Wonderfully, tertiary academic units in the US are finally striking at the root of the pandemic malaise: the triumph of politics over science.

This is a new unit opened at Hillsdale in WashingtonDC:

 

[Mick Miller]

One year between misinformation which gets you banned and an official Reuters report...

 

[Mick Miller]

Meanwhile in the UK...

Honk!!

 

[Rewulf]

Sadly it does indeed look like a vicotry for those of a curious or perverse view. I noted that the highest bracket of NHS workers were the "alternative" practitioners.

The only thing perverse is your comment.
And to try and insinuate , that those branches of the NHS you consider 'alternative' are the ones fighting the mandate is an absolute lie, where did you get that information , lets see a link ?

I know a lot of NHS workers, those that were trying hard, not to have a procedure they didnt feel they needed , after having multiple exposures to covid over the last 2 years, not one of them was involved in anything like what you term alternative.
A very close friend is a 31 year old pharmacist , who works with a team in ICU at Nottinghams biggest hospital, hes had covid twice, last time in August, he didnt want it because hes not happy with the way its been tested , and the ever growing list of side effects, is he some anti vaxxer , or a quack tin foiler ? No , hes a fully qualified PHARMACIST.
Are these midwives not 'proper' NHS workers Thirty-four midwives in one UK maternity unit among thousands refusing vaccine

The tens of thousands of NHS staff, who felt , for their own personal reasons that the jab was not in their interests , and were threatened with the sack, after giving their all to deal with covid for 2 years, HAVE won a victory, for common sense and freedom.
Now we shall see some court cases for the stress caused, and quite rightly too.

 

[zambezi]

We applauded the NHS staff when they selflessly faced risk of infection whilst serving the population.

How much more should we applaud those NHS workers who have held the line regarding every human's right to determine what medical treatments are appropriate for them?