Freyr and Devik

[stalker.308]

From the comments given on this thread (and only on this thread, I couldn't find any other source) it seems that there have been incidents (how many is also unknown) with F&D mods used by members of Forestry England. So far so bad.
If F&D mods were the standard equipment of Forestry England this whole subject reminds me a bit of accidents with Volkswagens or Vauxhalls in the 80's and 90's. Indeed they were the cars most involved in accidents. No wonder, I say. They were the cars with the highest registration numbers and thus the most diven cars on the roads.
Back to Forestry England. We all know how govenment officials react as soon as there is only the faintest chance of something getting in the way of their carreer. They cover their a**e.
We have no idea why and under which circumstances those mods failed. And even Forestry England doesn't seem to know much more and are obviously very careful not to let out any info as can be judged based on the reaction of their members on this thread. As a consequence this is turning into a witch-hunt.

As a bystander with no horse in this race, I see no witch hunt. I was about to get one but that’s my only interest and certainly won’t be now.

The OP posted a picture of his moderator with little use but serious corrosion starting. He unwound the marketing hype to discover exactly what materials are used and where- to much surprise of both folk here and the importers.

Others then started taking their moderators apart to find similar chunks missing and shockingly @AnthonyR showed a picture of his after 600 rounds that is fit for the bin.

Granted the FE have not confirmed it openly, but those commenting personally know individuals that have had issues.

Based on the gas cutting and corrosion SD members have documented above with light use, is it any wonder FE with heavy use are finding dangerous failures?

 

[Acm]

I know the op well, know him to be a bit of a gear nut and to be someone who’d take the care of his gear seriously. Anyone who’s bought stuff from him in here would agree I’m sure.
The moderator has been used modestly and is already on its way out. I think it’s absolutely feasible that that particular moderator would fail within a thousand rounds.
I need a moderator for a .222 and as Andy had waxed lyrical about his I was probably going to go for an f&d but definitely won’t be now. I’d rather carry the extra weight frankly.
I do feel sorry for cluny country sports as I’m sure they have sold what they believe to be a good product. But there seems to be quite a few of members on here that are finding the same issues.

 

[Steff]

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Based on the gas cutting and corrosion SD members have documented above with light use, is it any wonder FE with heavy use are finding dangerous failures?

Again, one of those prejudgements. Neither you nor I have the faintest idea of what happened. For all it‘s worth the cause my just as well have been a messed up muzzle thread.

 

[muddy42]

@Edinburgh Rifles have you had any issues with the mods you have sold? I'm reading this thread with interest, as I own an F&D. I think some gas cutting damage is to be expected as time goes on, so that doesn't concern me.

 

[Acm]

Totally agree, but 50 rounds is a bit much isn’t it?

 

[Foxyboy43]

Hmmmm. Make and model aside I think this fascinating thread points up the need to regularly check and maintain all moderators in your possession regardless of how often you use them. I am sure that many of us give the mod a quick wipe and perhaps a squirt or two of WD40 or such like - especially those mods which do not come apart. I would confess to having been one of those but since buying a cheap inspection scope from Lidl (other supermarkets are available) I routinely examine the inner workings of all my mods and would recommend the same to all. The obvious time to do this is as an integral part of your gun cleaning regime after a day out with the rifle and it would be very helpful if a more technically minded member would advise on what danger signs to look for which might just be the mod equivalent of incipient case separation (including photos for the hard of thinking).
Just a thought chaps.

 

[muddy42]

Totally agree, but 50 rounds is a bit much isn’t it?

I'll post a photo here, when I have fired that many, I only bought it last week! The OP did experience gas cutting after 50 rounds and it was replaced, but others seem to have shot many more rounds.

I'm certainly plan to inspect mine once in a while. BTW that is what attracted me to this design - it is simple to disassemble and (unlike other mods) very hard to put reassemble incorrectly. Let's see.

 

[Blackhawk]

My worry still remains that this is someone’s livelihood and the safety of fellow stalkers but we don’t have anyone giving a first-hand account of any faults, so it’s still hearsay and gossip. Is there not someone who has witnessed a problem or even seen the resulting damaged mod who can actually put some real life context to what happened and why?

It's not just hearsay and gossip and in my opinion this isn't the platform to discuss what happened to the individual. If she wants to respond then to me that would be up to her.

 

[BigPat]

It's not just hearsay and gossip and in my opinion this isn't the platform to discuss what happened to the individual. If she wants to respond then to me that would be up to her.

I’m afraid unless someone comes forward with a firsthand account then it is hearsay and gossip. I have no affiliation with F&D or any distributor or retailer, I’m just a stalker who has a F&D mod on a rifle and who would like to hear some facts from someone who has actually seen or experienced a failure of this mod. I am not trying to question the honesty of what is being said or diminish the seriousness of something that if true could put other stalkers, including myself in danger. But, how can you say this isn’t the forum to discuss what happened to the individual but at the same time be happy to have a discussion that could have serious consequences for someone’s business and livelihood?

Notwithstanding the above, I do understand that in situations like this it is quite possible there may be investigations and processes in place that mean individuals are not able to make public comments at this time. But that’s even more reason to wait until the facts are known and can be shared before opening the topic up on a public forum.

 

[Tazz]

I have The Sauer version the Titanium Pro it’s on a 300wm circa 400 rounds through it no wear and no corrosion. I keep the threads greased so it comes apart easy. After 100+ rounds I just undue it and give it a spray and wipe, I think it’s a very good mod, light, over barrel and good sound reduction especially on a Win Mag. I note we still seem heavy on “ Tales” and light on facts with regard to F&D be interesting to get some comments from the guys in retail selling them

 

[jon2]

I am reading quotes on this thread like “Failing at an alarming rate” can we get some facts, dates and figures if this is the case. I have one on my 300wm I am very happy with it but if there is an issue can it be data and fact based please or we will be shortly descending in to the same non fact based ”speculation” discussions about vaccines

One catastrophic failure combined with misleading tech spec is enough for me. Other better options out there such as ASE and A-TEC which produce mil spec products which would give me more reassurance.

 

[Blackhawk]

@BigPat might be worthwhile getting in touch with Forestry England and asking them to comment or get in touch with the UK distributor I'm sure they have the facts to put your mind at rest. I was only highlighting the fact and making others aware that a moderator had catastrophically failed and I know first hand that it did.

 

[Foxyboy43]

@BigPat might be worthwhile getting in touch with Forestry England and asking them to comment or get in touch with the UK distributor I'm sure they have the facts to put your mind at rest. I was only highlighting the fact and making others aware that a moderator had catastrophically failed and I know first hand that it did.

Hmmm. Presumably if there is any investigation and it deems it necessary, there will be a product recall?

 

[wboulter]

I'm concerned I bought fd last year and as off yet never been put on the rifle i only bought on recommendation from a friend

 

[Cluny Country]

As the official UK distributors of Freyr & Devik moderators we would like to comment on this thread.

Firstly to clarify, all Freyr & Devik moderators use titanium in only the core of the high-pressure chamber and the thread. This is where the temperature can exceed the melting point of aluminium, hence the use of titanium in this key area. The baffle stack and housing is made from high-strength Aerospace aluminium, much like most other moderators on the market. These anterior sections of the moderators are less exposed to heat.

None of the marketing or online descriptions are, in any way, meant to mislead consumers about the construction of the moderators. We are in discussions now with Freyr & Devik about altering descriptions to help clarify the exact parts that are made from titanium.

Regarding Forestry England (FE), we have a professional relationship with them and are in regular communication with them. There have been no reports from FE of any serious incidents, as described in this thread, traced back to the construction or design of Freyr & Devik moderators. If and when that is brought to our attention by those involved, we will of course look to investigate all of the circumstances surrounding it.

We have likewise sold thousands of these moderators to private individuals and wholesale through our dealership network in the UK and again have no reports of any failures.

We will not be commenting further on this thread but if anyone has further questions or points they would like to discuss going forward, please feel free to get in touch with us directly by phone or email. Our contact details are below and we will be happy (and quicker) to communicate with you via these channels.

Thank you,

 

[AnthonyR]

Others then started taking their moderators apart to find similar chunks missing and shockingly @AnthonyR showed a picture of his after 600 rounds that is fit for the bin.

If you are going to quote people please get your facts right, there is a companies reputation at stake here.

My mod has fired between 200-250 rounds out of a 243, the mod had never been cleaned prior to the first pic being taken.

After cleaning the mod was mostly in good nick except for the small bit of gas cutting as seen in both pics.

I was at the time of purchase under the impression that the baffle stack was made from titanium, so yes the fact that is actually mostly alluminium is a disapointment to me.

I mostly share the opinion with Ronin that mods are consumable items and should be treated as such but also believe that the companies selling them should be honest about the components used and not give artificial impressions about the materials being superior to the reality.

I too have a DPT mod (and others) but the DPT has fired a similar amount of shots to the F&D in a similar time frame, these are all high velocity rounds out of a 20BR and it hasn't been cleaned either.



Make your own minds up but looks like its showing signs of gas cutting and muzzle blast on the first section to me.

The joy of this design is that I can just replace that section in the future at pretty low cost

 

[Scandially]

My T8 is like a cheese grater and i thought of a F&D.... not any more.

 

[BigPat]

@BigPat might be worthwhile getting in touch with Forestry England and asking them to comment or get in touch with the UK distributor I'm sure they have the facts to put your mind at rest. I was only highlighting the fact and making others aware that a moderator had catastrophically failed and I know first hand that it did.

By saying you know “first hand” you are saying that it either happened to you or you were there and saw it happen. So do you mind me asking which model it was and was it your mod that failed or did you see it happen?
Either way I guess you should get in touch with the UK distributor who doesn’t appear to be aware.

 

[Foxyboy43]

As the official UK distributors of Freyr & Devik moderators we would like to comment on this thread.

Firstly to clarify, all Freyr & Devik moderators use titanium in only the core of the high-pressure chamber and the thread. This is where the temperature can exceed the melting point of aluminium, hence the use of titanium in this key area. The baffle stack and housing is made from high-strength Aerospace aluminium, much like most other moderators on the market. These anterior sections of the moderators are less exposed to heat.

None of the marketing or online descriptions are, in any way, meant to mislead consumers about the construction of the moderators. We are in discussions now with Freyr & Devik about altering descriptions to help clarify the exact parts that are made from titanium.

Regarding Forestry England (FE), we have a professional relationship with them and are in regular communication with them. There have been no reports from FE of any serious incidents, as described in this thread, traced back to the construction or design of Freyr & Devik moderators. If and when that is brought to our attention by those involved, we will of course look to investigate all of the circumstances surrounding it.

We have likewise sold thousands of these moderators to private individuals and wholesale through our dealership network in the UK and again have no reports of any failures.

We will not be commenting further on this thread but if anyone has further questions or points they would like to discuss going forward, please feel free to get in touch with us directly by phone or email. Our contact details are below and we will be happy (and quicker) to communicate with you via these channels.

Thank you,

Thank you Cluny for giving us the (real) inside track.

 

[Magnificent 7]

I think this is a massive bad press alround for freyr devik I bought one under the presumption they were titanium buy once cry once was my thoughts when buying new rifle and scope combination mine has shot no more than 50 rounds and I will strip it when I get home and report back the findings if any I was more than happy with it prior to reading all this on here as for the forestry England report if it has been reported on here by cumbrian1 it will be true as I personally know the man and he is a man of the truth so it will if happened