I bought 2 last year (.one for .308 and the other for .223 - I was told that only the larger one can be taken apart and that the smaller one was sealed for life. I have not used them as yet due to building a house and then Covid 19 so am now a little apprehensive
Freyr and Devik
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I would be very surprised to hear there was not an incident with FE....especially with all the noise...
On the DPT photo...that’s doesn’t look anywhere near as bad as the F&D n the first post.
@Cluny Country Store - you mention contact details below but it doesn’t show for me (maybe because I’m on a mobile device)
regards,
Gixer
On the DPT photo...that’s doesn’t look anywhere near as bad as the F&D n the first post.
@Cluny Country Store - you mention contact details below but it doesn’t show for me (maybe because I’m on a mobile device)
regards,
Gixer
maybe the FE incident was a manufacturing fault - nothing to say it was lack of maintenence or similar. Defect in the base material and over a number of presure cycles the crack grew due to fatigue and it blew up. Maybe they plugged the end of the mod with mud unknowingly... after the shot you would never know. Without the facts of A) did one actually fail and B) WHY did it fail its just a lot of assumptions/opinions etc.
What I will say is I also thought the core/baffle was all titanium and it was just the external can that was ally based on their original description on the webpage. That has moderated (har har) my enthusiasm alone and probably pushed me back to a DPT to be honest, given cost to longevity (replaceable baffle section on DPT) ratio.
What I will say is I also thought the core/baffle was all titanium and it was just the external can that was ally based on their original description on the webpage. That has moderated (har har) my enthusiasm alone and probably pushed me back to a DPT to be honest, given cost to longevity (replaceable baffle section on DPT) ratio.
stalker.308
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Apologies, 200-250 not 600, but that is even more shocking and the gas cutting pictured looks severe from that few shots does it not?
deerstalker.308
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Robbie,
Disappointed to see this, you and I both know different, and your video (now pulled from YouTube), the one I removed from this thread after you asked me to, clearly stated different (that the whole baffle stack was titanium) and you acknowledged that in your email to me; that was the basis upon which I purchased one, and I suspect many others too, if that’s not mis-selling I don’t know what is. Hiding from that in retrospect is not good.
I can’t and won’t argue the toss on the FE side of things, but it’s funny that they say different.
I hope you respond to my email I sent yesterday and we can resolve this as I for one, don’t feel that A, the product is what it was marketed as, and B don’t want to discover at a later date that it fails as others have and as mine appears to be degrading in such a short timeframe and you/they quickly offered to replace the baffles in mine, somewhat smacks of this not being the first time this has happened?
Anyone googling freyr and devik will find this thread at the top of the search now so you’d hope that they or you as the distributor might want to resolve this amicably? It’s not great PR for them is it?
Also, can you clarify what the warranty is on them as they don’t appear to state that anywhere that I can see, other manufactures do, and do so proudly, MAE-5000 rounds, I think A-tec 2 years..... I can’t believe it wouldn’t be 12 months as a minimum?
Magnificent 7
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Deer stalker can you please forward me the email regarding the titanium content please as i too was mis sold the item so much so I'd like my money back I rang Cluny earlier and tbh put the phone down on the guy I was talking to as straight away when I asked about the failing I got some snidey comment about the sky coming down and that there was no forestry issue ect his tone was pretty rude tbh hence me putting the phone down he did try ringing back but tbh at that point I wasn't to interested in what he had to say
Something that some may not have thought of but I feel may also be of relevance is the shorter barrel trend. Granted that gas cutting will inevitably occur I would imagine that the wear would be accelerated from a 18" 308w vs a 24" barrel for example. I read that short barrelled 308's can have the same muzzle pressure as a 300 win mag.
For stalking and field usage an aluminium moderator should have a good average lifespan. Ally moderators shot red hot over prolonged range use with short barrelled rifles probably less so, and in these cases a steel moderator is probably the better option.
For stalking and field usage an aluminium moderator should have a good average lifespan. Ally moderators shot red hot over prolonged range use with short barrelled rifles probably less so, and in these cases a steel moderator is probably the better option.
Yes I think it is more shocking and not what I would expect from that few shots.
Rilfe has a 20" barrel and I mostly use 75gr ammo in it at about 3440 fps, although I have fired a few lighter faster ones and a few heavier slower ones as well.
Freeforester
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Looking more positively to the future, albeit with an eye on the foregoing, it would appear to be a great moment to start producing an all titanium-baffled moderator? i think we can agree that the cost whilst important is perhaps secondary to safety and functionality. If it’s light and super strong, there’s likely to be a continuing market. Or chance for an upgrade to your current F&D moderator?
I agree but also that the type of ammo must make a big difference as well, with something like my 243, you could be firing heavy weight rounds at well sub 3,000 fps but you alternatively could using all 4,000 fps lightweight speed machines.
This is probably why my DPT looks worse than the other one posted earlier in this thread, mine has pretty much not fired a bullet below 3800fps
Doesn't every product have a minimum 12 month warranty and that's extended to at least 2 years if bought online? (maybe that's just Irish law.)
deerstalker.308
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Ok, so my experience is standard sauer 202 barrel length, which I believe is either 20 inches or more. Not short. I used 150gr factory federal ammo. I bought the mod during lockdown, it’s use has been (clearly) very limited to the relatively few deer I’ve been able to shoot in that time, no range use, no “hot” home loads etc, I know mods are a working and wearing part of the rifle but I don’t expect that amount of corrosion on something that is designed to last (one would hope) a good few years.....
Cut+Squirt
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I've yet to come across a moderator as resistant to erosion and gas cutting as the Jet-Z Compact.
Flash9919
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i think we all need to be a bit careful here....people are drawing conclusions based on little or no actual facts. with regards to the Ti core, F&D’s own literature and product info clearly states which parts are Ti and which are Ali alloy....if people have been misled by retailers then that’s another issue which should be taken up with them on an individual basis.
The FE failure(s) are based on hearsay end of....we have absolutely know idea whats happened if indeed it has. Anything can catastrophically fail given a certain set of circumstances, unfortunately we have absolutely no idea what happened....could it have been blocked with mud or some other foreign body, what is the suggested maintenance regime by the FE, does for example it include liberally spraying wd40 down the mod?....I for one have never understood why anyone would want to spray a flammable liquid down something that gets bloody hot.....if it’s going to stand upright to evaporate and drain in a cabinet for a few weeks then it ain’t gonna hurt, but if you’re going to be squirting / drowning the thing in oil before chucking it in the back of the hilux for a few hours before using it again......well potentially it could I guess make a bigger bang than expected......the B all and End all is we are only speculating........
F&D have been producing these things for 4 years or so, I’d guess there’s thousands if not tens of thousands circulating in the uk and Europe.....if there was a wider issue then surely SD as good as it is wouldn’t be the most likely source for the discovery?
As I said in an earlier post, I’ve got a 280 sat on my 300wm, it’s seen good use and still looks decent enough to me....I even stuffed the borescope into the high pressure chamber today to see if it shows any abnormal wear.....it doesn’t. I will however confess that although the heaviest that they make, to my eye it does look more robust than the other models which may explain Some of the disparity between different peoples experiences.
For the record, I have absolutely no links or affiliations to either Cluny or Freyr & Devik, I’m not in the trade and have absolutely nothing to gain from this, I’m just trying to be slightly impartial......that said if either company would like to reward my endeavour then I’d gladly take another 280 off their hands.....equally, if anyone on here wants to sell me their as new 280 ti in 6.5mm threaded 15x1 for next to nothing as it’s a death trap then by all means send me a pm!
The FE failure(s) are based on hearsay end of....we have absolutely know idea whats happened if indeed it has. Anything can catastrophically fail given a certain set of circumstances, unfortunately we have absolutely no idea what happened....could it have been blocked with mud or some other foreign body, what is the suggested maintenance regime by the FE, does for example it include liberally spraying wd40 down the mod?....I for one have never understood why anyone would want to spray a flammable liquid down something that gets bloody hot.....if it’s going to stand upright to evaporate and drain in a cabinet for a few weeks then it ain’t gonna hurt, but if you’re going to be squirting / drowning the thing in oil before chucking it in the back of the hilux for a few hours before using it again......well potentially it could I guess make a bigger bang than expected......the B all and End all is we are only speculating........
F&D have been producing these things for 4 years or so, I’d guess there’s thousands if not tens of thousands circulating in the uk and Europe.....if there was a wider issue then surely SD as good as it is wouldn’t be the most likely source for the discovery?
As I said in an earlier post, I’ve got a 280 sat on my 300wm, it’s seen good use and still looks decent enough to me....I even stuffed the borescope into the high pressure chamber today to see if it shows any abnormal wear.....it doesn’t. I will however confess that although the heaviest that they make, to my eye it does look more robust than the other models which may explain Some of the disparity between different peoples experiences.
For the record, I have absolutely no links or affiliations to either Cluny or Freyr & Devik, I’m not in the trade and have absolutely nothing to gain from this, I’m just trying to be slightly impartial......that said if either company would like to reward my endeavour then I’d gladly take another 280 off their hands.....equally, if anyone on here wants to sell me their as new 280 ti in 6.5mm threaded 15x1 for next to nothing as it’s a death trap then by all means send me a pm!
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By “normal one” do you mean the featherweight 269 which unsurprisingly weighs 269 grams? I’d say their model naming convention couldn’t be any clearer!
This suggests ongoing litigation...
deerstalker.308
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They are, but at a price.... £600!Think these might be
Lawrence Precision - Titanium Moderators
www.lawrenceprecision.co.uk
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