I was wondering if these checks are lawful, after all we only agree to policing by consent, if we do not consent to this style of policing then surely they cant be carried out.
Ian.
Ian.
GMP and "Extra Checks"
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AN DU RU FOX
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It may just be myself but i find trying to do things by the book isnt working ,you just end up getting more headaches,my last variation was a nightmare
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scoby3030
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Probably something to do with the top man in Gmp now he's settled in, he is against private gun ownership, always was when at Cheshire and don't think anything has changed with him now. Strangely I was talking on this matter with a chap I bought a dog off 2 weeks ago, and he said that the bloke was a absolute pain when he was in Cheshire police, it is a shame as Gmp firearms was one of if not the best in the country.
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Deerstalker6
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hmm think I know the bloke you mean, isn't that misuse of public office to further his own private interest / agenda ala whats on the website below, he in can no way make changes to processes as that is against
the law isnt it, also home office guidlines and parliament law (firearms acts etc) as well. dont think he realises what he's started.
the man who was formally in charge at gmp for licensing ran things well things worked fine he was even awarded an obe for his services to licensing!!
this man is misusing his position as top man to make it harder for law abiding people to gain sgc's / fac's / make changes to their facs etc.
thing is he will eventually affect the rfds / businesses we give business money to via buying ammunition, sporting firearms so not only affecting us he is going to affect those with families who
have jobs in the industry, but also affect the treasury's coffers 20% vat which I dont think they want to miss as us sporting shooters, pest controllers and hunters spend quite a lot of money
so dont think he realises what he has started --> think basc need to know but IPCC,basc and possibly home office too was going to put acpo but would they listen if the evidence was there against one of their own?
Misconduct In Public Office: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service
the law isnt it, also home office guidlines and parliament law (firearms acts etc) as well. dont think he realises what he's started.
the man who was formally in charge at gmp for licensing ran things well things worked fine he was even awarded an obe for his services to licensing!!
this man is misusing his position as top man to make it harder for law abiding people to gain sgc's / fac's / make changes to their facs etc.
thing is he will eventually affect the rfds / businesses we give business money to via buying ammunition, sporting firearms so not only affecting us he is going to affect those with families who
have jobs in the industry, but also affect the treasury's coffers 20% vat which I dont think they want to miss as us sporting shooters, pest controllers and hunters spend quite a lot of money
so dont think he realises what he has started --> think basc need to know but IPCC,basc and possibly home office too was going to put acpo but would they listen if the evidence was there against one of their own?
Misconduct In Public Office: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service
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CRIMSONBULLSEYE
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my cert been with Manchester G.M.P. now 5 weeks I have now taken steps to make an official complaint as they have only just renewed my cert and I have had it for nearly
40 years all the police forces seem to differ in their opinions what the guide lines are
40 years all the police forces seem to differ in their opinions what the guide lines are
AN DU RU FOX
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I sent another email today ,fingers crossed ,breath held, should i say sod it and just phone ,is there anyone on here that does this with them and actually gets a response? i must say that i do get on ok with the feo but im never sure with the office,
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I really think the organisations we are members of need to club together for once , basc,ngo,sacs,sga. & so on
& complain nationally regarding the vast difference in interpretation of home office guidelines & implementation , also if a person in feo. Or licensing has "personal " attitude that is nothing to do with the job he is paid to follow guidelines & run licence dept. not to his own thoughts feelings personally .
If we are going to get hit by huge increase in costs we need a service that reflects that .
Paul
& complain nationally regarding the vast difference in interpretation of home office guidelines & implementation , also if a person in feo. Or licensing has "personal " attitude that is nothing to do with the job he is paid to follow guidelines & run licence dept. not to his own thoughts feelings personally .
If we are going to get hit by huge increase in costs we need a service that reflects that .
Paul
Morgy
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This is one of the reasons why firearms licencing should have nothing to do with the police. I this instance it is the attitude of one person who must feel he is a law unto himself. Time for all FAC and SGC holders in the GMP area to make a formal complaint to their PCC.
AN DU RU FOX
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11,000 fac,s to be reviewed, the nightmare continues,
Si
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Why?... What can BASC do?
Northwest
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It never ceases to amaze me that people with thousands of posts on a forum need to ask someone with a couple of posts the simplest of questions. Whatever.
If you call the BASC about a major issue such as this, the likelihood is that they will have been briefed by the Police (and this it turns out was actually the case) and you then get the important elements of the story without all the speculation and rumour. That's why we have such organisations. At least it is one of the good reasons we have the BASC. Regardless of what you think of them, the BASC do have Police Liaison officers and they will likely know what is going on.
Simples!
If you call the BASC about a major issue such as this, the likelihood is that they will have been briefed by the Police (and this it turns out was actually the case) and you then get the important elements of the story without all the speculation and rumour. That's why we have such organisations. At least it is one of the good reasons we have the BASC. Regardless of what you think of them, the BASC do have Police Liaison officers and they will likely know what is going on.
Simples!
Yes indeed, we have been briefed by GMP see here : Greater Manchester Police to carry out firearms licensing review | The British Association for Shooting and Conservation, and yes we are here to help any member who has problems, just call or email and we do all we can.
David
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Si
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They are carrying out this review in order to identify any FAC holders that may have slipped through the net during the application process.... Surely this can only be a good thing? If they manage to find just one SGC/FAC holder who doesn't meet the criteria I would call that a result.
BASC do a fantastic job, but I don't see how they can help someone who is deemed unsuitable to possess a firearm.
Put it this way... I don't feel the need to contact BASC and unless you doubt your suitability then nor should you.
BASC do a fantastic job, but I don't see how they can help someone who is deemed unsuitable to possess a firearm.
Put it this way... I don't feel the need to contact BASC and unless you doubt your suitability then nor should you.
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Basically as from now on with GMP it will be: "Here is your new FAC sir but we will be reviewing it several times during its lifetime and if you no longer meet the criteria we will revoke it."
Ian.
Ian.
If this is the case, though, it's hardly a bad thing.
AN DU RU FOX
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So basically youve shot thousands of rounds and or shells all over the country or even overseas for i dont know think of a number, but to morrow we are coming to empty your cabinets,! dont get me wrong if you shouldnt have a ticket fair enough but surely the numties should have been doing their job from day one on the application,
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But it is, they say in as many words that they are going to set the criteria, so hypothetically Joe Blogss who has been shooting for 40 years suddely has his licence revoked because he had a speeding ticket in 1984 and GMP have decided that speeding offence is now a good reason to revoke FACs
ian
Si
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I have a feeling they may be looking at more serious crimes than speeding....
Someone who's been done for GBH or armed robbery has good reason to be twitchy about this, but I'm sure the rest of us with the odd driving offence can sleep easy tonight.
The way I see it... If it prevents the next nutjob going postal in a town centre or school playground then I don't give a flying **** how much inconvenience it causes.
Someone who's been done for GBH or armed robbery has good reason to be twitchy about this, but I'm sure the rest of us with the odd driving offence can sleep easy tonight.
The way I see it... If it prevents the next nutjob going postal in a town centre or school playground then I don't give a flying **** how much inconvenience it causes.
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