Si
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They have made mistakes and it's good to see they have openly admitted the shortcomings and they are doing something about it, not just sweeping it under the carpet.
GMP and "Extra Checks"
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They have made mistakes and it's good to see they have openly admitted the shortcomings and they are doing something about it, not just sweeping it under the carpet.
AN DU RU FOX
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i agree si but why are they keeping this in house,in other words they are checking themselves not another force or agency just getting in more staff,plus they are at fault for letting it get this bad in the first place,
bobthedug
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If you perhaps could read the statement released by GMP, you will see that they did refer the matter.
And as it seems that you know "how bad" it is, can you share it with the rest of us what the issue is.
"GMP’s Professional Standards Branch made a mandatory referral to the Independent Police Complaints Commission who referred the investigation back to GMP to carry out locally"
The above is from the GMP statement from BASC website
AN DU RU FOX
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So it wont affect you at all in lanarkshire then, if you had sent umpteen letters and emails plus phone calls to your( local) feo and had no replys for sometimes months not weeks on normal land checks or perms and varis,then this on top of it ,then you read on the basc website , if you have any concerns or querys please contact gmp at emailblahblahblah,com its laughable,
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bobthedug
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Apologies, I did not realise that you could only respond if you resided under the GMP area.
For what its worth, I have returned from being out shooting locally with my friend who is a serving squaddie and whose FAC has been issued by GMP.
Its a matter (possibly, I don't know the details, but it seems you do) that could affect all Certificate holders. That's why I read the BASC and GMP statement
AN DU RU FOX
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bob thats not what im getting at all im saying is reading through this forum alone the systems flawed it needs bringing into the 21st century we cant get in touch half the time as is ,on normal everyday fac matters let alone when something like this pops up,i had an email reply last week after 6 weeks of letters phone calls and emails just for a land check,and also it is affecting all cert owners even those not in basc ,
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Should be but I bet it isn't
AN DU RU FOX
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it will be fine you dont live in cheshire or gmp area,!!
Morgy
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Jim Jones is tough but fair in his approach, I would be astonished if "OB1" Jones had committed any crime or any mismanagement of any kind whatsoever.
I have met him just once and his approach to dealing with firearms issues was both sensible and professional, even if I didnt get my own way and the law said otherwise, he followed the rule book as set down by GMP to the letter.
I have never spoken to anyone at GMP Firearms who could be described as anything other than professional from start to finish.
The fact that Jim Jones has been suspended assumes that GMP had grounds for doing so, if not, one equally assumes that Jim Jones OBE, will have a compensation claim winging its way at GMP at some point in the future.
In point of fact, I have not heard a single person in the GMP force area, with a bad word to say about Jim Jones. The GMP firearms unit is generally regarded as one of the best in the country
In any event it will all come out in the wash!
I have met him just once and his approach to dealing with firearms issues was both sensible and professional, even if I didnt get my own way and the law said otherwise, he followed the rule book as set down by GMP to the letter.
I have never spoken to anyone at GMP Firearms who could be described as anything other than professional from start to finish.
The fact that Jim Jones has been suspended assumes that GMP had grounds for doing so, if not, one equally assumes that Jim Jones OBE, will have a compensation claim winging its way at GMP at some point in the future.
In point of fact, I have not heard a single person in the GMP force area, with a bad word to say about Jim Jones. The GMP firearms unit is generally regarded as one of the best in the country
In any event it will all come out in the wash!
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Deepwater17
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As a matter of interest since when have Firearm CERTIFICATES become Firearms LICENCES ?
This is mission creep by police forces as there is a reason why they are called Certificates and not Licences in the Firearms Act (s).
http://www.gmp.police.uk/live/Nhoodv3.nsf/WebsitePages/9BD655DC49B39C5280257E31002D6C8D?OpenDocument
DW17
This is mission creep by police forces as there is a reason why they are called Certificates and not Licences in the Firearms Act (s).
http://www.gmp.police.uk/live/Nhoodv3.nsf/WebsitePages/9BD655DC49B39C5280257E31002D6C8D?OpenDocument
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Wingy
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I have known Jim now for over 22 years, he is a top bloke & I've sat many a time arguing about whole aspects of shooting and licensing in his office over a cup of tea.
I know of the allegations that have been made but am not prepared to say anymore here. It's being investigated at the moment and I don't know which way it will go. I truly hope the allegations are malicious and Jim is cleared but at this stage I honestly don't know.
Wingy
I know of the allegations that have been made but am not prepared to say anymore here. It's being investigated at the moment and I don't know which way it will go. I truly hope the allegations are malicious and Jim is cleared but at this stage I honestly don't know.
Wingy
I have personal experience of the new man and it was not good - you are right when you say he is anti gun, he is on the record for saying that the public should not be 'allowed' guns. I am sure the review stems from his desire to be seen to be squeaky clean. I think he wants the MET next - he already has the 'Sir'. It was once mentioned to me that he was an example of 'naked ambition' - probably true since it was a senior policeman who said it.
He will always be on the 'right side' but when does prudence give way to prejudice ? Answer? When he thinks it should and not before.
He will always be on the 'right side' but when does prudence give way to prejudice ? Answer? When he thinks it should and not before.
stalker 79
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ive been waiting nearly 7 weeks now for them to check my new cabinets as ive just moved house..
i phoned up and received no help what so ever from them..100% change from last time i spoke to them.
i phoned up and received no help what so ever from them..100% change from last time i spoke to them.
8x57
Distinguished Member
So what's the problem with that? :?:
Is there any particular reason why you want them to check your cabinets.
I'd take this as an indication that they're sensibly using their limited resources to do jobs more likely to reduce the risk to the public than looking at cabinets in your lovely new home; and/or getting fellow-shooters variations, applications and renewals sorted.
They've perhaps considered that as the responsibility for safe storage lies entirely with you, and that you managed to fit appropriate cabinets to the required standard where you were before, it is likely that all is well in the new place.
Certainly, I wouldn't worry about it.
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