HOW MUCH!

Th
If your on uneven ground and the bipod is canted it can put the rifle off by as much as an inch , I tested it thoroughly when I found out that that was the problem of not being able to group. I took the bipod off and used it without a bipod and it worked perfect, then 1 year late I had to bin the Howa because the barrel was corroded I was raging.
That is interesting, thanks for that I’ll hve to look out for that. On the whole I’m very happy with mine but funny you should mention the poor steel, I’ve noticed a bit of pitting on the crown, tiny amount but still worrying, hasn’t made a noticeable difference yet though.
 
How can I find out who owns the rights before dealing with the farmer?
Land registry website will enable you to see whether there are rights reserved to someone other than the land owner, but it won't necessarily tell you who or what. Easier to just ask the farmer.
Besides, under certain circumstances, the farmer occupier can give you permission to shoot deer, even if he is a tenant or doesn't own the sporting rights.
 
Land registry website will enable you to see whether there are rights reserved to someone other than the land owner, but it won't necessarily tell you who or what. Easier to just ask the farmer.
Besides, under certain circumstances, the farmer occupier can give you permission to shoot deer, even if he is a tenant or doesn't own the sporting rights.
There is a lot of farmers , specially tenant farmers that have given permission without the right to do so. Tenants usually are permitted to allow up to two guns to register on their behalf for pest control, unfortunately what most people dont realise some farmers dont give a toss on how many people they allow to shoot as the want every deer, fox , rabbit, bird etc gone of the land . Just the way it is.

Land registry or not I bet there are thousands of written permussions out there that are not worth the paper they are printed on. In fact this is a reason for the land request forms that police are now asking to be filled out by guys renewing their FAc or applying for the first. They also contact the land owner of the property.

This year I had four land request forms requested by police from former syndicate members claiming they are still members, from what I am told, two were very unhappy that I told the police they are no longer members, 1 has lost his FAC apparently and 1 guy asked if I had any places left to sell unfortunately I had not. Now that works bothbways as if a landowner is contacted and has no gaming authorisation but the shooter is legit then the problem then lies with the land owner and whoever has the gaming rights. Hope that makes sense.
 
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There is a lot of farmers , specially tenant farmers that have given permission without the right to do so. Tenants usually are permitted to allow up to two guns to register on their behalf for pest control, unfortunately what most people dont realise some farmers dont give a toss on how many people they allow to shoot as the want every deer, fox , rabbit, bird etc gone of the land . Just the way it is.

Land registry or not I bet there are thousands of written permussions out there that are not worth the paper they are printed on.
Quite so, hence why I wrote "under certain circumstances". This was discussed at some length in a recent thread. Check out the ground game act, the deer act, and the wording of the specific tenancy agreement to be sure.
 
Quite so, hence why I wrote "under certain circumstances". This was discussed at some length in a recent thread. Check out the ground game act, the deer act, and the wording of the specific tenancy agreement to be sure.
Problem with that is, many shooters are mire excited by the promise of shooting other than understanding the law and how land law works and I know many shooters have come a cropper over it.

You start asking farmers for them to do work after you chapped their door they are just gonna tell you to go away .

Catch 22
 
Th

That is interesting, thanks for that I’ll hve to look out for that. On the whole I’m very happy with mine but funny you should mention the poor steel, I’ve noticed a bit of pitting on the crown, tiny amount but still worrying, hasn’t made a noticeable difference yet though.
I bought mine brand new by the time I binned I only had it less than 3 years, it started with pitting on the crown that gradually got worse, the round count was around 200 rounds through it, I then took it to see if it could be recrowned and was told that the barrel was rotten at the breach and about an inch down the muzzle and because it was fluted it would be difficult to chop . I took all the furnishings off and handed it into the police a week later. Never on never will I buy another Howa.
 
Problem with that is, many shooters are mire excited by the promise of shooting other than understanding the law and how land law works and I know many shooters have come a cropper over it.

You start asking farmers for them to do work after you chapped their door they are just gonna tell you to go away .

Catch 22
We're going off topic a bit here, but if a lot of money is changing hands on a stalking lease or whatever, then you should ask your solicitor to get a proper Land Registry search done, in order to determine categorically whether the person who claims to have the right to transfer the sporting title (either freehold or leasehold) to you does actually have that right.
I have been through all this quite recently when I managed to buy the freehold sporting rights to my own farm, which had not been included in the original purchase 20 years ago.
 
We're going off topic a bit here, but if a lot of money is changing hands on a stalking lease or whatever, then you should ask your solicitor to get a proper Land Registry search done, in order to determine categorically whether the person who claims to have the right to transfer the sporting title (either freehold or leasehold) to you does actually have that right.
I have been through all this quite recently when I managed to buy the freehold sporting rights to my own farm, which had not been included in the original purchase 20 years ago.

Agree.

However, note that, in the context of stalking, the sporting rights (leasehold or freehold) are rarely transferred to the stalker (or deer manager, if @jimbo1984 is the man in question). Rather, a licence to take deer is issued to the stalker by the landowner, who then retains the actual title. A bit like issuing a 12-month grazing licence to a neighbour when you are under-stocked on your farm.

This gives the stalker fewer rights than if title were to transfer (and is the most sensible approach for any landowner).

Best,

Carl
 
There's nowt wrong with buying all the expensive kit if you've got the money, what is wrong is the folk that then put other people down because they don't have all the expensive kit

I have not seen any kit snobbery on SD. Just lots of folks declaring what does or doesn't work for them. But I do see recursive sneering at certain prestige brands which I really don't understand. Perhaps Lateral identified the mechanism in his post below. I.e. In the minds of some, certain brands are synonymous with certain people types. In the same way that a Jag' or an Arthur Daly coat might be.

Do Blaser haters, hate Blasers because they just don't like the rifles, OR, do they just hate what they represent to "them" ?


Taking delight in good kit [whatever it costs to the buyer] is no different to joy that comes from buying a comfy pair of boots or vehicle that ticks all your requirements. That is a personal journey. In the field, it is our shooting that does the talking. And that is wholly independent on the price label on your kit.
 
I have not seen any kit snobbery on SD. Just lots of folks declaring what does or doesn't work for them. But I do see recursive sneering at certain prestige brands which I really don't understand. Perhaps Lateral identified the mechanism in his post below. I.e. In the minds of some, certain brands are synonymous with certain people types. In the same way that a Jag' or an Arthur Daly coat might be.




Taking delight in good kit [whatever it costs to the buyer] is no different to joy that comes from buying a comfy pair of boots or vehicle that ticks all your requirements. That is a personal journey. In the field, it is our shooting that does the talking. And that is wholly independent on the price label on your kit.
I agree. SD feels like a place where one can happily discuss Hawke scopes as much as one can Swarovski.

And the Blaser tease is just a bit of fun that has become almost a meme on here. It will never go away. A bit like the Jocks all liking .270s and Jimbo being a deer manager...

It works, I think.

Best,

Carl
 
I agree. SD feels like a place where one can happily discuss Hawke scopes as much as one can Swarovski.

And the Blaser tease is just a bit of fun that has become almost a meme on here. It will never go away. A bit like the Jocks all liking .270s and Jimbo being a deer manager...

It works, I think.

Best,

Carl
The Blaser/ Swaro tease is very much the same as the grief those who use a 6.5Creedmoor, ,,,, The Blasers are a good rifle but definitely over-priced but so are Sauer and various other brands.

Stalking FOR SOME is prestigious, such as you will rarely see a Baikal at a Grouse shoot. There can be a bit of a fashion contest but a lot of that is due to the lack of knowledge on equipment and maybe a little too much money or the expectation of having to pay the price to be in the sport.

I can assure you more animals are probably killed by a £50 Whitetail Classic scope on a £300 Savage than there ever has been by a £2500 Blaser with a £2100 Swaro housed on it, that is actually a fact, but, it is a case of shoot what you can afford.

Top money does not mean good there is ample proof of this, Harkilla Pro boots £350 in some places, anyone who is in the field daily has said they are awful, Le Chameu in 2015 moved their factory and since then their boots have been awful, Meindl dry out very quickly and are sooooo uncomfortable all top brands asking over £250 when there is cheaper that are better.

I have had £200 jackets that the inner tapes have just come away after the first soaking in heavy rain, but then I have had £60 jackets that last for year. ALL of us have experienced this.

Look those who have the ability will pay for it no matter what but they have to understand they are not always buying the best.

Lets talk rifles, with the right ammo or if you reload with the right recipe almost every rifle will shoot sub moa at 100, yes some of the more expensive ones have a better quality control and wont leave the factory unless they can shoot sub moa, but you don't need to pay £2000 for a rifle that can shoot that.

You want a rifle that will out shoot and better furnished than a £2500 rifle get a custom, Pick a secondhand Mauser actioned rifle, £250 , put a custom 1/9 or 1/8 barrel on it £750 and then put a £300 custom stock on it and reload and I bet you will get a sub quarter MOA group at 100m everytime day or night and only costing you £1300 the price of a good factory rifle such as a Tikka.

Look it is all about whether you wanna spend more time stalking or working on your rifles and equipment. Less you pay on your equipment the more you can stalk.
 
Top money does not mean good there is ample proof of this...I have had £200 jackets that the inner tapes have just come away after the first soaking in heavy rain, but then I have had £60 jackets that last for year.

Amen to that. My boots are cheapo mail order items from Keen, my all year waterproof smock is from Ridgeline. Both continue to outperform pricier brand name items bought in years gone by.

...yes some of the more expensive <rifles> have a better quality control and wont leave the factory unless they can shoot sub moa...

Which is their appeal. You absolutely know brand X will work straight out the box. So if you can afford it, why not? This forum has mixed reviews on aftermarket gunsmithing quality, I do not [yet] reload, and would be apprehensive of pillar-bedding a new purchase myself. Taken in the round, the pricy [but performance assured] route is for me.
 
Which is their appeal. You absolutely know brand X will work straight out the box. So if you can afford it, why not? This forum has mixed reviews on aftermarket gunsmithing quality, I do not [yet] reload, and would be apprehensive of pillar-bedding a new purchase myself. Taken in the round, the pricy [but performance assured] route is for me.

Unfortunately some priced rifles as mentioned before like the Howa are not as accurate off the shelf as many may think or as claimed.

Also some makes are ammo fussy and in the UK we have limited access to good but also cheap enough ammo to do testing with so we are stuck.

No matter what some calibres such as .243 no matter what make they are whether they are £2100 rifle or £500 ridle the .243 is a notoriously fickle calibre and notoriously hard to get them to perform with deer legal weights in Scotland and prefer lighter rounds.
 
Many moons ago I used to do some part time driving work for folks with rather more money than most (I say that as opposed to more money than sense as lots of them had lots of sense lol). I was contracted to pick a fella up, that I’d worked with several times, from his home near Cleckheaton (a rather beautiful “house” - the pool was bigger than my house at the time :rofl:) and take him to a shoot about a 1/2 hour’s drive away. What really surprised me was the time he wanted picking up and the route...... via LONDON!! The London element of the otherwise West Yorkshire round trip was to pop to his brother’s house to collect a pair of rather very posh shotguns - allegedly circa £30k. I enquired as to why knowing that said customer had shotguns of his own. He basically explained that he’d been invited to the shoot as a guest - the plan was that rocking up in his Mother’s bells & whistles Range Rover, accompanied by a driver and sporting two antique shotguns would ensure that he was invited back (FOC) the following year!! Like I said - more money than sense..... but with lots of sense!!
 
Many moons ago I used to do some part time driving work for folks with rather more money than most (I say that as opposed to more money than sense as lots of them had lots of sense lol). I was contracted to pick a fella up, that I’d worked with several times, from his home near Cleckheaton (a rather beautiful “house” - the pool was bigger than my house at the time :rofl:) and take him to a shoot about a 1/2 hour’s drive away. What really surprised me was the time he wanted picking up and the route...... via LONDON!! The London element of the otherwise West Yorkshire round trip was to pop to his brother’s house to collect a pair of rather very posh shotguns - allegedly circa £30k. I enquired as to why knowing that said customer had shotguns of his own. He basically explained that he’d been invited to the shoot as a guest - the plan was that rocking up in his Mother’s bells & whistles Range Rover, accompanied by a driver and sporting two antique shotguns would ensure that he was invited back (FOC) the following year!! Like I said - more money than sense..... but with lots of sense!!
That is the problem there is Far Far too many that think flaunt yer cash and you will forever have shooting and unfortunately that mentality is ingrained in our shooting sports and when that happens how on earth is a working man supposed to get involved in it/?
 
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