HOW MUCH!

OK so there are a load of guys just posted who spent relatively little on their Stalking Kit and without a doubt there will be some very experienced and competent stalkers among them.
I understand the OP thoughts that newbies are sometimes electronically intimidated towards " only the best will do " which can be daunting when cash flow is limited.
What I do not understand is the attitude of some that decry the people who like good kit and have the where for all to purchase this without detrimental affects on their loved ones.
My hobbies are fishing , stalking and general shooting. I spend plenty on them. I like a decent car, watch life in general, it wasn't given it was earned.
Must be plenty more out there when you look at the classified sections !!! Loads more shops would shut without paying customers.

And my colleague and I both have DSC 2 which is a mandatory requirement for the Forestry Management company from whom we obtain our lease.
Lets all be a bit more tolerant of what the next guy likes and has when it does not quite fit in our idea of " Ideal way to go"
 
Curious. Do Blaser haters, hate Blasers because they just don't like the rifles, OR, do they just hate what they represent to "them" ? I guess some of each.

You don't seem to hear the same comments towards Sauer, or any other equally expensive rifles ?
 
£150 for a Leopold 6x42
Exactly.

I posted on here a while back and some geezer replied that he needed an 5-25 x 56 Schmidt and Bender PMII as he was shooting beyond 200. I didn't have the heart to tell him I do that with a red dot. :)

We can all save money by not completely over specifying every single piece of kit.

Save money by NOT buying a rucksack. You don't need one and you don't need all the crap that you buy because you now have a rucksack !
 
Tis the marmite routine ,expensive ,over engineered ,ridiculous priced extras ,for something to do the same job as a Lee Enfield smle, ie put a piece of lead in the right place at the right time.But they are very nicely made and feel right in your hands .
To me a Blaser is a new car money ,to someone who can fair do,s earn more spend more ,i,d sit on the fence but someone my size would fall off :rofl:
 
Curious. Do Blaser haters, hate Blasers because they just don't like the rifles, OR, do they just hate what they represent to "them" ? I guess some of each.

You don't seem to hear the same comments towards Sauer, or any other equally expensive rifles ?
Well I don't hate them, but I do worry about losing the trigger unit.

Also feirt to use my reloads with that collet thing. Lots of chat about how its ok and I am sure it is :-|, but its my chops on the stock.

Priced the all singing one up the other week with the super dooper expensive Swaro. £11,000 all to drag it through the heather in shitey weather. Naw.
 
Save money by NOT buying a rucksack. You don't need one and you don't need all the crap that you buy because you now have a rucksack !

I just bought a rusksack. :confused:


In my defence it was secondhand (as is most of my kit), cost £20 and is absolutely necessary as I've nowhere else to keep my tea flask.
 
Well I don't hate them, but I do worry about losing the trigger unit.

Also feirt to use my reloads with that collet thing. Lots of chat about how its ok and I am sure it is :-|, but its my chops on the stock.

Priced the all singing one up the other week with the super dooper expensive Swaro. £11,000 all to drag it through the heather in shitey weather. Naw.

No more likely to lose the trigger, than someone may lose their removable mag ! What collet thing ?

To some, a rifle is a tool, pure, and simple. It just has to do a job. To some, a car/truck is the same, it just has to get you from A to B. Nothing wrong with that, just as there's nothing wrong with people appreciating something a little nicer.
 
No more likely to lose the trigger, than someone may lose their removable mag ! What collet thing ?

I believe the poster is referring to the radial flower on the R8 bolt that replaces the the lugs on a conventional bolt per image below courtesy Blaser YT. Visually, the individual leaves appear slight and shallow. But the whole-chamber-lockup design and the sum of their surface area deliver strength at parity with conventional plumbing. Certainly Blaser have produced very large calibre chamberings which use this design.

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I was gonna write a whole speel here on telling newbies on how to talk to farmers but decided against it,

if you cannot be bothered to understand how farming works before approaching a farm then just don't bother. Don't get me wrong I don't think every farmer expects you to know what crops are in their fields or the difference between a Hog and a Gimmer, I been round farms all my life so I guess that sort of thing comes with growing up with it, but, Farmers are not stupid and much of what you do as a shooter does effect their business and their business, unlike many of you, is a 24 hour 7 days a week 365 days a year business with many farmers not having has even a day off in years so if your not willing to put the time in forget about it, if a farmer has a problem they want it fixed right their and then, if your taking on fox control they want to see you doing what your supposed to be doing. Not be the first time I have arrived at a property as the farmer is finishing for the day and still being there when they wake up in the morning.

As a shooter I understand, your driving by fields every day or seeing deer on certain places and wondering if you will be allowed to shoot it. 9 times out of 10 I can guarantee that someone already has that ground,

Lets be honest, Free ground is the hardest to get and that is because someone already has it, farmers like to deal with the same people who understand them and that permissions are passed down through the family and trust me even if those people only visit that ground once a year they will never give it up for love nor money.

The easiest way to get stalking is to pay for it. Syndicates, paid guided stalks or approaching a famer and offering them money.

Oh just to add , some farmers do not own the gaming rights for the land they own, just be sure they do before you deal with them.

Sorry for being honest.
 
I believe the poster is referring to the radial flower on the R8 bolt that replaces the the lugs on a conventional bolt per image below courtesy Blaser YT. Visually, the individual leaves appear slight and shallow. But the whole-chamber-lockup design and the sum of their surface area deliver strength at parity with conventional plumbing. Certainly Blaser have produced very large calibre chamberings which use this design.

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Ok, the ref’ to reloads threw me
 
Well I love my blasers got three and just ordered another
Although I did just by a Mauser!!! Good it is too. Also love my Emberleaf’s got 4

If you can afford it why not as I said does it make you any better ? Probably not but it’s nice to have nice things

I also spend money on training and courses (sorry Jimbo) such as my recent advance deer management course which was excellent as I learnt a lot
The more you can learn the better you will be FACT also before anyone says it it’s great to learn on the job as well as there is no substitute for experience
The trouble is more and more places require those qualifications before you can get on the land then you can start your experience gathering.
The world is changing good or bad I’m not sure buts it’s changing and before long certain qualifications will be mandatory I’m certain

Professionally I can’t get on any of my sights without tickets for this or that so I HAVE to do it otherwise I can’t earn
 
I have to say this is a topic that is close to my heart and this is always my advice to potential newbie stalkers.

To get into stalking first and foremost before you even buy a rifle or apply for a firearms certificate you need land. Land is the hardest to come by so a plan of what you are wanting to do and how your going to achieve it is good specially before you apply for your FAC as that is the main question you are asked.

Bare in mind and FAC application can, in some cases, take over a year to get so giving you lots of time to sort things out or change your mind but in the end it is the hardest part of the process and am afraid depending on how passionate you want to get into shooting can be the most stressful part of the whole shooting experience. While you are in the application process though spend time getting to know the community and making contacts as this will only help, just one thing to remember if your planning on stalking as your main shooting hobby to make the most of it you need to apply for a calibre over .243. Reasons many on here obviously know about and not going to get into that just now.

Ok so you have your certificate approved with your chosen calibre what should you do now?

Firstly set your self a budget and as it is (possibly) your first rifle don't go all out out and stick to what you can afford.

The industry is awash with second hand rifles as you will come to learn that like any hobby the guys who like to spend will spend regularly and change their equipment regularly so take advantage of it. Cheap is not always bad in the shooting world and there is a lot of top quality second hand products available and old also I have to add is not a bad thing either.

Rifles - whatever calibre you have been approved for a good centrefire package can be as low as £250 , as long as everything looks good no rust or damage to the crown and that it shoot straight then you are off to a good start. Now if your buying new it is worth getting advice but you can get brand new rifles for as low as £450 for instance at the moment you can pick up a brand new Browning Abolt 2 for around £450,
Just remember watch out for brands though that require modification to get them to shoot good such as Howa, Their standard Hogue stocks cannot be used with a bipod as the stocks are too flexible and certain years of the 1500 series have bad barrel material, so do your research, but having to spend another £200+ on a stock for a new rifle defeats the purpose of sticking to a budget.

Scopes - Scopes are a minefield and I spend a lot of time reviewing scopes. The best stalking scopes on the market are still the fixed power ones. Second hand you can get an excellent stalking scope for around £250 such as a Meopta 7x50 or Doctor, new the Schmidt and Bender 8x56 are arguably the best stalking scope on the market, but, the choices are endless. Just remember shop around. When looking for a stalking scope you need something robust lightweight and not too complicated. For stalking I always advise to stay away from your target brands. You will see social media promoting what looks to be a good deal for brands such as Hawke and Nikko Sterling but these type of scopes really are not well placed for stalking due to their construction, so what your looking for is a good metal tubed scope that is going to put up with the crap of a long "back slap" and the terrain you through at it and this is one of this is one of the reasons why fixed power for the novice is genuinely better than variable zoom scopes.

If your interested ONLY in variable zoomed scopes then you have a to wade through the minefield of focal planes and reticles, I would advice to get to know what you got and stick with it until your ready to progress.

Binoculars - right here is where I am going to sound like a hypocrite. I review some of the best binos on the market and I constantly show products that are phenomenal high end glass but no matter how much I would love to own them I cannot afford them, under contrary to belief and although I stalk a lot and I am very prominent in the stalking industry I make less than £15k a year through stalking so I cannot afford highend binos. I use a pair of Barr & Stroud Sahara 10x50 binos and they cost me new £77 plus postage from Ebay around 4 years ago and these are my day to day binos and they are very good and do me perfect. I have left them on the hill and went back and found them, I have used them in the best and worst conditions and they work daily for me and most of all if I break or lose them I wont be heartbroken if I have to buy another pair.

Moderators- Get what suits your rifle even the cheapest ones work well.

Clothing - WOW this is a real bee in my bonnet ------ DO NOT PAY £400 for a pair of trousers that you are going to wear once a month or a couple of times a year, stalking is not a bloody fashion contest you do not need £400 jackets and trousers to get the job done, I have shot deer in jeans and trainers as well as full camo gear or tweeds, wear what is comfortable and that does not need to be expensive. Bare in mind you may come across a lot of rip hazard such as barbed wire fence and crawling through bracken and heather, rough terrain is not sympathetic to your pocket so you should be. Trust me I drag deer in conditions as low as -15 in £30 trousers and a £40 jacket with some baselayers.

Boots - Invest in a good pair , Haix and Military surplus are good and very cheap, some of the big brands are awful such as Harkilla , I use Bestard and out of all the 5 big brands I have used I find the Bestard Explorers the best and at £200 for me it is worth the investment every 4 or 5 years.

Anyways I have a school run to do now and I been sitting here for the last five minutes typeing this out and I am running out of things to say. What I have been getting at is that do not spend a fortune in shooting at the start off, shooting is a lifestyle choice and like any lifestyle it progresses as you grow. I shot my first Royal with a 30 year old Parkerhale at the age of 13 and I shot a 20 year old RWS 22-250 as my first centrefire rifle, my first .22 was an ancient BRNO . on my first year of professional deer management after a long break from shooting I bought a Browning Abolt 2 Package in .270 that cost £950 which was rifle, moderator and Kahles 6x42 scope before upgrading to my current Tikka .270 I shot well over 500 deer with that old rifle and it still is used by another stalker as we speak and with that 6x42 Kales Helia scope my longest kill was a hind at 483yrds.

So remember stalking does not need to be lifenchanging expensive.
I agree with all this bar the point about the hogue stock. I have a howa 1500 with a hogue stock and I must say it shoots very well with a bipod out to good ranges. I also like the grippy feel to it, thought it was decent tbh.
 
I agree with all this bar the point about the hogue stock. I have a howa 1500 with a hogue stock and I must say it shoots very well with a bipod out to good ranges. I also like the grippy feel to it, thought it was decent tbh.
Tilt it to the side on the bipod and you will see that your barrel is no longer floating it will be rock hard against the stock , this does effect groupings
 
Tilt it to the side on the bipod and you will see that your barrel is no longer floating it will be rock hard against the stock , this does effect groupings
Just tried it there and you are correct lol! Although personally I wouldnt do much target shooting from a position where I would need to tilt the bipod.
In the field, whether or not the effect is extreme enough that it would cause you to miss the kill zone on a fox or deer though, I’m not sure.
 
Just tried it there and you are correct lol! Although personally I wouldnt do much target shooting from a position where I would need to tilt the bipod.
In the field, whether or not the effect is extreme enough that it would cause you to miss the kill zone on a fox or deer though, I’m not sure.
If your on uneven ground and the bipod is canted it can put the rifle off by as much as an inch , I tested it thoroughly when I found out that that was the problem of not being able to group. I took the bipod off and used it without a bipod and it worked perfect, then 1 year late I had to bin the Howa because the barrel was corroded I was raging.
 
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