lead ammunition HSE report
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StephenToast
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This is total and utter tripe.You really are a tit aren't you. This effects a dam site more shooters than just stalkers. This effects EVERYONE. From kids who won't be able to start shooting using the old air rifle to people who just want to print some groups at the range. Comments like yours have genuinely ruined the shooting community. Pipe down and get back in your box
The shooting community is it's own worst enemy. Ther e is nothing in the lead ban that should stop kids using airguns or people shooting targets or any other sport. Some people, like ypurself are either too stubborn or too stupid to change.
You really are a tit aren't you. This effects a dam site more shooters than just stalkers. This effects EVERYONE. From kids who won't be able to start shooting using the old air rifle to people who just want to print some groups at the range. Comments like yours have genuinely ruined the shooting community. Pipe down and get back in your box
Ironic that this is a covert way to ban or at least severly restrict recreational shooting by making it more expensive and causing disruption (at the cost of animal/quarry welfare) yet there are folk on here applauding it...
StephenToast
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You keep on banging that drum. You're talking total bollocks of course but I suppose it keeps you busy.
I don't' disagree. No excuse for still shooting birds, or game, small or bigger with lead (shot or bullets). To be eaten by people, or wildlife. Or just scattered about into the environment in massive quantities by shot gunners, many of whom don't even abide by the wetland rules.
i do have a personal problem about the industry providing dynamic targets for e.g. pheasant shooting types, and what happens to them afterwards, but that's just me. Just buying cheap chicken, if the way tings are going, from the supermarket might turn me a bit more veggie, though I do need some animal protein.
However there are some of us who also shoot paper, or other materials, for fun. Don't disregard us. The problem is a bit more nuanced than that.
Change is going to come, swifter than many might imagine. Clever people are already prepared. Other reactionary types are not, E.g. a poster who claims that his £40,000 of old shotguns are now valueless. Maybe not actually, other alternatives are available, at a price. Or maybe a suggested scrappage scheme might compensate him, when they go under the chop saw ?
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StephenToast
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Non-lead is quite capable of making holes in paper and all sorts of other stuff.
Leec6.5
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This has been on the cards for well over a decade, thats plenty of time to get sorted out!You really are a tit aren't you. This effects a dam site more shooters than just stalkers. This effects EVERYONE. From kids who won't be able to start shooting using the old air rifle to people who just want to print some groups at the range. Comments like yours have genuinely ruined the shooting community. Pipe down and get back in your box
Bit what did everyone do ?
Bury their heads on the sand and laugh!
Now I’m laughing at you lot flapping like unprepared boy scouts.
Its hilarious
Not at all.
The things that will stop kids shooting air rifles is parents won't use them because the non lead alternative is shocking and doesn't perform whatsoever. Same as 22lr. It just doesn't bloody work. The majority of deer bullets don't even bloody work above 100 yards. I don't mind change, in fact I welcome it. The issue I have is getting put over the barrel for a good rogering. Lead free bullets are already an eye watering price. Now make demand for that much higher, the price will only rise, once again putting us shooters who shoot paper or gongs out of it purely due to expenses. £1 a bullet in lead free plus loading components? A match or simply putting holes in paper is going to get real expensive real quick and for some reason you can't seem to understand that?
Show me a lead free pellet or rimfire round that actually works please
Show me CHEAP lead free ammo that matches the price of our current lead rounds? Nope, didn't think so... Show me a lead free bullet that WILL still work over extended ranges? Oh wait... They don't...
So their entire argument over 'there are bullets that work in larger calibres' is completely irrelevant.
The manufacturers haven't even sorted the issue yet so how can anyone else? You keep shooting for your deer with lead free at a couple of hundred yards. If I had land that enabled that I'd do the same thing. I don't though so I can't.
As for unprepared, I've got plenty to last me a good while
worst case I'd use a bloody spear.
Heym SR20
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There are perfectly good lead free rifle bullets and rifle ammunition available now.
With the 22 rimfire there is ammunition available which works in some rifles and not others. But manufacturers are working on this. Bear in mind many jurisdictions are going or already hone lead free including much of Europe and parts of the US - notably California.
And as regards shotguns - well there are already plenty of options available that work with everything save for thin walled old vintage guns. And the ammo manufacturers are going to have to scale up production or go out of business.
With the 22 rimfire there is ammunition available which works in some rifles and not others. But manufacturers are working on this. Bear in mind many jurisdictions are going or already hone lead free including much of Europe and parts of the US - notably California.
And as regards shotguns - well there are already plenty of options available that work with everything save for thin walled old vintage guns. And the ammo manufacturers are going to have to scale up production or go out of business.
StephenToast
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I use non lead airgun pellets. They work fine.
The rifle bullets I use also work fine well past 100 yards.
You're either too stupid or too stubborn. One of the two.
who exactly are you suggesting should sort it out? If you mean U.K. shooters then we can until very recently only use what other countries provide in the way of bullets, or shotgun components.
The few U.K. manufactures now making non toxic bullets are a fairly recent innovation, and tell me of one U.K. manufacture of steel shot. Only recently has gamebore started making biodegradable wads in 12ga.
Or should we do as Denmark and pollute the countryside and foreshore with single use plastic for the next 400 years?
They have such a problem after what 30years that now they are looking to make a law to ban single use plastic wads.
They don't work fine though do they...
Certainly the multiple brands I've tried!150 yards isn't well past 100. Give me a bullet that still works as it should past 400 yards, you know, like bullets were DESIGNED to do...
plenty of options - show me one steel shot cartridge in 28ga using biodegradable wads? Or in .410 or in 16ga
Why oh why do all assume 12gauge is the only gun anybody ever uses.
StephenToast
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Stupid. That's the one.They don't work fine though do they...
150 yards isn't well past 100. Give me a bullet that still works as it should past 400 yards, you know, like bullets were DESIGNED to do...
Leec6.5
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Over 350 actually but mums the word
The bloke is an absolute moron. Starts arguments in an empty room.You really are a tit aren't you. This effects a dam site more shooters than just stalkers. This effects EVERYONE. From kids who won't be able to start shooting using the old air rifle to people who just want to print some groups at the range. Comments like yours have genuinely ruined the shooting community. Pipe down and get back in your box
With that attitude, and of the lead free ammunition crowd in general-what they dont realise is there wont be any gunshops to sell NLA or components.
You need shooters to buy the stock, and the stock is only viable with distributors importing.
Bellends the lot.
Would that be subsonic 22 rimfire, as that has got to be the single biggest advantage of a .22 rimfire for pest control.
Mate, you can't even give me an answer... That says much more about you and being a troll. Back to your hole
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