Schmidt Bender Pricing

I know one or 2 that have nv/thermal for mr fox but most lads that I know go lamp/lamp or handheld/lamp for fox, hasn't stopped them dropping foxes. Just to say id have a thermal scope for fox rifle IF it wasnt licenced as a firearm. I can see the attraction of digital to younger lads in the UK starting out given the current price difference.

Although in saying that if I was in the UK and looking for an optic, for stalking I prefer glass and Id go secondhand.

I wouldnt say digital is better than glass or vice versa, I would say they bought have a use case, but I wouldnt use digital for deer myself.











Ill do the above 6 quotes together as there is a lot of overlap.

I would definitely be in the "buy once cry once" camp in so far as I go by, "buy the best gear that your wallet can afford"

I would disagree that you dont need "fiddly bits" like bdc or parralax, I think it all depends on how and where you stalk deer.

Me personally, my ground consists of farmland and open hill(mountain), a 7.5x50 or 8x56 would serve me well on the farmland, I certainly wouldnt be lacking. However on the hill a fixed optic would save me weight and cost me deer.

I wont get into what is and isnt ethical as far as distnaces because, to me, everyones ethical limit, determined by skill, conditions and equipment varies.

What I can say is only using fixed power optics or an optics sans bdc/parrallax, tbh I could live without illum, would limit my ability on the mountain.
For what you are looking to do a S&B Polar 3-12 or Ultrabright of the same mag will be perfect, and serve you for some time. Lovely glass and build quality Put a wanted up and see what comes your way
 
In terms of buying pre-owned or secondhand glass then its is also worth checking with the maker if any guarantee or warranty remains applies to the item itself (regardless of haow many times it has changed ownership) or if it only applies to the orginal owner that bought the thing new.
 
personally I am of the opinion that thermal and digital scopes should also be classed as a firearm here in the whole of the UK!

That way only those who can prove they have a deer problem can have it 👌

And when I mean prove, I mean actually prove that they have a problem, not like some of the SD who have a CL55 just incase a deer might cross the top left corner of their bit 😂😂 that was actually posted 😂😂😂😂
 
personally I am of the opinion that thermal and digital scopes should also be classed as a firearm here in the whole of the UK!

That way only those who can prove they have a deer problem can have it 👌

And when I mean prove, I mean actually prove that they have a problem, not like some of the SD who have a CL55 just incase a deer might cross the top left corner of their bit 😂😂 that was actually posted 😂😂😂😂
Oh Lord! That's tongue in cheek I hope? I hope!
 
In terms of buying pre-owned or secondhand glass then its is also worth checking with the maker if any guarantee or warranty remains applies to the item itself (regardless of haow many times it has changed ownership) or if it only applies to the orginal owner that bought the thing new.
Most of them, don't really offer the warrantues of old, and from my experience, most lads move things on when whatever warranty was given has expired
personally I am of the opinion that thermal and digital scopes should also be classed as a firearm here in the whole of the UK!

That way only those who can prove they have a deer problem can have it 👌

And when I mean prove, I mean actually prove that they have a problem, not like some of the SD who have a CL55 just incase a deer might cross the top left corner of their bit 😂😂 that was actually posted 😂😂😂😂
Thats how it is in ROI, I wouodnt imagine that'll be too popular an opinion. Its actively trying to be changed to an authorisation.
Oh Lord! That's tongue in cheek I hope? I hope!
Don't think it was....
Nope blanket ban on deer unless proven and I mean proven to be needed!
If someone is going to do something illegal, they're going to do it regardless
 
Most of them, don't really offer the warrantues of old, and from my experience, most lads move things on when whatever warranty was given has expired

Thats how it is in ROI, I wouodnt imagine that'll be too popular an opinion. Its actively trying to be changed to an authorisation.

Don't think it was....

If someone is going to do something illegal, they're going to do it regardless
Exactly that 👌
 
I bought a used Swaro Habicht 1,5-6×42 on egun last year. The scope wasn't in as promised condition and had some problems like badly scratched lens which needed to be replaced. I contacted Swarovski Austria. I was told by them it is 28 years old and still within warranty. Then I was quoted 350 € for repair / service by them which I gladly paid as I had no use for a faulty scope. And didn't want to screw someone with a screwed up scope like someone screwed me.
I keep hearing about FOC services all the time but this was not my experience in two occasions I dealt with services of scopes. So I now think very hard before buying used optics as it can get quite expensive pretty quickly. I really do like older optics like these Swarovski Habichts though. These weight 440 g, they're small and you hardly notice them on the rifle. True allround hunting scopes from the times when people understood what really mattered in the field. They're extremely lightweight and usable for everything from stalking to driven hunting. The picture is phenomenal and light gathering ability very good. They're even usable for last light as 4 times zoom still lets enough light in for those last evening minutes. Nowdays it's all about zoom ratio, red dots, ballistic turrets and paralaxes. But all the scopes nowdays weight 700+ g, are long, heavy and not nice to carry around in the field all year. But they do have 16 times zoom though...
 
Like most people, I assume, I started out with a basic rifle/scope setup and because well we like shiny things I've "upgraded" over the years. Now did what I started with need to be "upgraded" probably not.

I'm in the market this year to upgrade my optics, due to a bit of financial good luck I don't want to waste.

Like most people, again I assume, I'm looking at Zeiss, Kahles, Steiner and S&B....

Can I just ask what exactly the good people at Schmidt and Bender are smoking?

The price point to feature set, I feel, is lacking in their hunting line up, and tbh their more modestly priced PMII line up models(3-12x50) aswell.

From shopping, tyre kicking, online and comparing specs to the other brands listed above and some not, the feature set of their hunting line up and the price they have set them at seems to me to be asking a bit much.

Anyways just a bit of a pointless rant I guess.

Before anyone wades in I have the €2500(£2100) to €3750(£3180) msrp for the Meta line, and it is a very attractive scope but given I could pick up a V8, or a Helia, or Ranger 8, not saying thats apples to apples now, I don't think S&B glass is that good.... maybe I'm wrong.
I have a 56mm t96 polar with bdc. Best scope I have used for low light. Also have a klassic 6x42 for a rim fire. S&B are a solid option for sure.

I hear you on price increases, but it’s the way everything is going for premium products these days?

I Was considering a 42mm meta with bdc and quick windage adjustment turrets. I think these are a very nice scope with quick adjustments which might be useful in very certain situations: if you are shooting longer ranges, like some ibex hunters do in foreign mountain ranges, for example; where wind and range is often beyond what you might reasonably be stalking in the uk.

If I was a seasoned big game hunter of mountain goats, spending c£12k a trip- then scope like this makes sense to invest in. For uk only- maybe not.

Buy once - cry once.
 
I bought a used Swaro Habicht 1,5-6×42 on egun last year. The scope wasn't in as promised condition and had some problems like badly scratched lens which needed to be replaced. I contacted Swarovski Austria. I was told by them it is 28 years old and still within warranty. Then I was quoted 350 € for repair / service by them which I gladly paid as I had no use for a faulty scope. And didn't want to screw someone with a screwed up scope like someone screwed me.
I keep hearing about FOC services all the time but this was not my experience in two occasions I dealt with services of scopes. So I now think very hard before buying used optics as it can get quite expensive pretty quickly. I really do like older optics like these Swarovski Habichts though. These weight 440 g, they're small and you hardly notice them on the rifle. True allround hunting scopes from the times when people understood what really mattered in the field. They're extremely lightweight and usable for everything from stalking to driven hunting. The picture is phenomenal and light gathering ability very good. They're even usable for last light as 4 times zoom still lets enough light in for those last evening minutes. Nowdays it's all about zoom ratio, red dots, ballistic turrets and paralaxes. But all the scopes nowdays weight 700+ g, are long, heavy and not nice to carry around in the field all year. But they do have 16 times zoom though...
A good friend uses Swaro, he swears by them and thei customer care, it isn't a brand I considered tbh, although for the price of a S&B Meta I certainly could. Optics have gotten heavier, but thats down to lenses, BDCs, adjustment range, illum etc

Maybe its not needed but the market is clearly there, even Swaro have scopes with those features.
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An Ultrabright bought off here in excellent condition and a Steiner M7xi which is a very underrated scope IMHO
Those are 2 cracking rifles Terry, I see you have 2 Tikkas, Im set up the same myself, although my .222 sits in the factory stock. Ive never looked through a Steiner tbh. I could pick up an m5Xi for around 2.5k, but id be worried about warranty as the model, 3-15, is discontinued.
I have a 56mm t96 polar with bdc. Best scope I have used for low light. Also have a klassic 6x42 for a rim fire. S&B are a solid option for sure.

I hear you on price increases, but it’s the way everything is going for premium products these days?

I Was considering a 42mm meta with bdc and quick windage adjustment turrets. I think these are a very nice scope with quick adjustments which might be useful in very certain situations: if you are shooting longer ranges, like some ibex hunters do in foreign mountain ranges, for example; where wind and range is often beyond what you might reasonably be stalking in the uk.

If I was a seasoned big game hunter of mountain goats, spending c£12k a trip- then scope like this makes sense to invest in. For uk only- maybe not.

Buy once - cry once.
The T96 seems to be a very popular reccommendation, and Ive been doing some price checking, and its in my list now.
Ive shot with the 6x42 but never owned one, its a great optic.

A fair point as the more I look, all the big optics brands top tier is 2.5k and up deoending on configuration.

Unfortunately 12k goat hunts aren't in my tax bracket, though would that I could. But seeing as I use the features of my current optic and I can afford I upgrade, I wanted an optic better in quality with the same or similar feature set.
 
In terms of buying pre-owned or secondhand glass then its is also worth checking with the maker if any guarantee or warranty remains applies to the item itself (regardless of haow many times it has changed ownership) or if it only applies to the orginal owner that bought the thing new.
Guarantee or warranty would play a big part in purchasing decision for me. Not sure if it still applies but the S&B PMs used to only have two years due to the fact they got used for the forces and police. To date my one is still good.
 
Guarantee or warranty would play a big part in purchasing decision for me. Not sure if it still applies but the S&B PMs used to only have two years due to the fact they got used for the forces and police. To date my one is still good.
I looked at that, S&B website says 10 years, +2 if you register, and 20ywars on parts for repair.

To he fair ZCOs warranty isn't listed as a timespan, and has conditions, which for the price isn't as encouraging as Schmidts to be fair.

Kahles states 10 years as well
 
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