SGA pushing the intrusive questions at the Scottish Parliment.

[David Barker]

My Take is different i feel one should only take on enough ground that they can easily manage if you over stretch your self you will end up chasing at the end of the season and that normally means shoot what ever steps out in front. I don't shoot many deer in march but give the damage that Male deer do i march and into April i feel the flexibility to shoot male deer is a choice. Unlike Rake About i have no need to push till the young are falling out the does. I don't shoot for cash just for the venison and a few gifted. I know i am old school that said i shoot over ten areas of new amenity woodlands and have never been close to any upset from the grant people or the farmer. None of my ground is suitable for Game bird,s so no hassle from the shot gunner,s.

 

[slider]

The fight is against a further season change. If the stalkers are used to culling till Feb then why should they not be alarmed at the change.?

There were no closed season for deer in Scotland until the deer close season act 1959 (and then it was only Reds until 1966). That act wasn't actually implemented until 1962. I don't think our fathers or grandfathers were gibbering wreaks. and we all no what has happened to the deer population in the last 50 years......................

 

[Mr. Gain]

This thread is hard to credit. Shoot the deer you need to shoot when it is legal to shoot them. If you're queasy about foetuses then either (a) put in the work to make your numbers earlier in the season, or (b) shoot more heavily-pregnant deer so that you get used to it (the way you got used to blood and gralloch when you started stalking). If either of those things is too much for you, get whichever kind of help you need.

 

[David Barker]

There were no closed season for deer in Scotland until the deer close season act 1959 (and then it was only Reds until 1966). That act wasn't actually implemented until 1962. I don't think our fathers or grandfathers were gibbering wreaks. and we all no what has happened to the deer population in the last 50 years......................

I feel my father and mother were watching Love thigh Neighbour Black and white minstrel show and collecting golliwogs of the Jars for a nice metal Golliwog pin Badge. We had large knifes on our Belts going to Scouts or BB ETC. i had a shot gun on my wall bought with a certificate i got from the local post office. Going Back the way is not always the Answer. The currnt season for hill red are perfect. With an easy call to Naturescot you can get an out of season you want. I cannot for the life of me see any reason why we really need a change. Unless its to cut down on paperwork.

 

[gixer1]

I don’t give a monkeys what the “it shouldn’t make a difference” crowd says - I don’t like shooting heavily pregnant deer, does it have an effect - yes, it’s off putting having to kill a developed foetus after cutting it out.

There seems to be a bit of “any sentimentality is weakness” if you are a stalker - bollocks! I’d say quite the opposite - the minute deer as a species mean nothing to me other than numbers is a sad day. Some like pulling a trigger regardless I guess…..they must be proper toughies.

 

[nun_hunter]

I don’t give a monkeys what the “it shouldn’t make a difference” crowd says - I don’t like shooting heavily pregnant deer, does it have an effect - yes, it’s off putting having to kill a developed foetus after cutting it out.

There seems to be a bit of “any sentimentality is weakness” if you are a stalker - bollocks! I’d say quite the opposite - the minute deer as a species mean nothing to me other than numbers is a sad day. Some like pulling a trigger regardless I guess…..they must be proper toughies.

How quick are you gralloching deer after the shot?

I'd have thought with no blood circulating the foetus would be dead in a couple of minutes, probably less so if the doe had bled out.

 

[David Barker]

How quick are you gralloching deer after the shot?

I'd have thought with no blood circulating the foetus would be dead in a couple of minutes, probably less so if the doe had bled out.

Look this is about opinions and if i or any one else finds emptying a foetus that is wriggling in its sack out of a carcase surely we should not be call weak. The weak ones in my opinion are those that have no feeling,s. I feel sorry for the one,s that just want to kill kill kill and cant enjoy what i do as a passion.

 

[gixer1]

How quick are you gralloching deer after the shot?

I'd have thought with no blood circulating the foetus would be dead in a couple of minutes, probably less so if the doe had bled out.

If it’s a bang, flop not that long….

I get that many (including myself) have a job to do, but there are means of doing that job in most cases without having to shoot heavily pregnant roe, red and fallow up here.

 

[nun_hunter]

Look this is about opinions and if i or any one else finds emptying a foetus that is wriggling in its sack out of a carcase surely we should not be call weak. The weak ones in my opinion are those that have no feeling,s. I feel sorry for the one,s that just want to kill kill kill and cant enjoy what i do as a passion.

I didn't call anyone weak.

Extending the season gives those who want or need it to be able to use it without unnecessary bureaucracy. No one is being forced to cull deer later than they personally wish.

The only thing I'm questioning is how quick are you and gixer are gralloching deer to be finding a wriggling foetus? By the time I've reloaded and watched the deer to make sure it's down and not getting up and then walked to it I'd be fairly certain due to blood loss (and a lack of pumping blood exchange through the placenta if head shot) that any foetus would be dead. Let alone the time it'd take to actually get the gralloch out.

If you need to shoot a pregnant deer where the concern is that the foetus is sufficiently developed and still alive and wriggling then simply let it die humanely inside the doe which will take no more than a couple of minutes. If that is still something that you don't want to do then don't shoot that late in the year if you don't have to. If it's your job then that's slightly more complicated but I bet everyone who works with people or animals have parts of their job they'd rather not do.