Tools of the Devil!!!!
Ian
Ian
Stuck bore snake
- Thread starter bigkimbo
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And why should the devil have all the best tools?
Alan
(after everyone from Martin Luther; to General William Booth)
I wonder whether your well known gunsmith is the same as the well known rifle smith that rem284 quoted.
Alan
JAYB
Super Moderator
Please don't say this even in jest, I am fearful that someone will read it and attempt it. Remember they walk among us!
John
Jagare
Well-Known Member
I've just measured my 30 cal bore snake. Its much longer than any of the 30 cal barrels i have. So even if the cord snaps with the BS any where in the barrel there is still a fair bit hanging out of the barrel. I don't see any problem pulling the BS out backwards. I wonder how many of these stuck boar snakes are caused by the wrong caliber or too short BS. If anyone damages a barrel crown with a BS i can only think they must be completely incompetent and need a simpler hobby. As for so many rifles needing re barreling because of stuck BS, that sounds likes BS about BS's
8x57
Distinguished Member
They certainly do John. I had to physically stop a guy from putting another round up the spout some years back when he had a squib load leave a .44 bullet up the barrel of his gallery rifle. I was the range officer and I sent him off the range.
I also had another old guy tell me how he had a misfire with his blackpowder pistol. He didn't draw the load because he didn't have the ability but he did manage to jam a ramrod in the barrel. So he put the still loaded pistol with ramrod sticking out in his case and took it home. A few days later he removed the nipple and dribbled fine powder into the chamber and fired the pistol in his garden. According to him next door's cat had a narrow escape as the ramrod shot down his garden. He was telling us this on the same night that he was applying for probationary membership of the rifle club which surprisingly wasn't granted.
Odders
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There must be an awful lot of dummies pulling bore snakes impregnated with sand out the muzzle at an extreme angle then, as used correctly, there will be no wear caused.
kenbro
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They certainly do John. I had to physically stop a guy from putting another round up the spout some years back when he had a squib load leave a .44 bullet up the barrel of his gallery rifle. I was the range officer and I sent him off the range.
If that happened (And it has) at our range, the duty officer would have stopped the guy/gal doing anything silly, then, taken them to one side and quietly educated the person. And they wouldn’t have had to leave the range.
I have seen a range officer try to humiliate a member once and it wasn’t nice.
Not saying you humiliated the guy, but, made to leave the range!
I’d like to know how many people have not made, or nearly made a mistake with a firearm.
Ken.
8x57
Distinguished Member
Kenbro the guy was insistent that it was his rifle and he was quite happy to take the chance. Well I wasn't prepared for him to "take the chance" and endanger others around him. It wasn't humiliating him and you can't educate pork. His membership of the club was terminated shortly after because of other incidents.
P.S. I've seen barrels on three Marlin rifles that have split as a result of poorly reloading and squib loads.
P.S. I've seen barrels on three Marlin rifles that have split as a result of poorly reloading and squib loads.
Been there, done that, went out and bought some cleaning rods, jags and patches soon after.
I also bought one of these (pocket kit) VFG pull through , quite usefull for a quick clean...
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kenbro
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In light of the extra information, i agree with your actions and retract my criticism of you. Regards,Ken.
Hold on Malc, it wasn't me that made the stupid remarks....
The original offending comment, by wcog106 appears to have been deleted.
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sikamalc
Administrator
Sorry yes I know I copied your response from the post about firing a rifle with a blocked barrel. My apologise if it appears I was refereeing to you which was not my intention.
I was referring to the initial post by wcog106 who recommended putting a live round through a blocked barrel............stupid does not even go far enough.
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Came here to say this. This is exactly what the military armourers would do when a pull through got stuck up the barrel of an SA80 or similar. Theres not a lot of wiggle room in the barrels as they are .223/5.56mm so burning them out was the most popular method, but you do have to give the barrel a really good clean afterwards to get all the soot and unburnt fluid out.
Edit - I never did it myself, and if the OPs mate is thinking about doing it my advice would be dont. Just suck up the pride and take it to a gunsmith who can do it without damaging his rifle!!
no this was Norman Clark several years ago, however isnt it strange that two of the finest riflesmiths and barrel fitters in the UK have the same opinion?
I wish I was surprised that so many people think they know better than people who have a combined experience of over 5 decades dealing with rifle issues and who have forgotten more than most people on here will ever learn about gunsmithing and rifle husbandry.
A boresnake is often used instead of cleaning properly with a one piece rod. Thats the issue.
Will the cloth ruin a crown? No- will the cloth with glass hard miniscule fragments youve just removed from the lands? Quite possibly. Were the 'tests' mentioned previously done with a clean boresnake on a smooth piece of metal such as the outside of a barrel or were they done with a dirty boresnake on the crown ?
If you have one for field use if you plug barrel, fair enough, although for me it would have to be a big plug of mud to get through the over barrel moderator. I do carry a nylon covered pull through and a patch if needed which I keep in the vehicle and will return to uae if I must.
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