Syndicate warning
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Yea, that would make more sense, though they were pushing it a bit taking 500 off 2000 acres!
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I have been in one or two over the years that were brilliant. Be assured, when I decided that I simply didn’t need to be in them anymore there was another local person on a waiting list to take my place. As with a syndicate game shoot, good ones have very little turnover and a waiting list.
I see a lot of lads getting into stalking and being rinsed. How many times have you heard “it looks good ground” but then they’ll go several times and blank. Ground undoubtably contracted to death then chuck on a syndicate of inexperienced guys who aren’t clued up enough to realise they’re being rinsed. The Scottish Borders seem a hotbed of this kind of malarkey.
I think folks are safer being patient, waiting for the right opportunity and buying doe/hind culling by the day from reputable estates.
I concur with this. Once upon a time, about 13 years ago I went halves with a friend on a years worth of stalking and boar rights.. £500 each on about 300 acres.
The gamekeeper was leasing it, met up, got the paperwork and the tour. Was recommended him through a friend at college who worked for him.
I applied for a new calibre, put the land down for the variation. The FEO contacted the landowner (being unable to contact the gamekeeper) and the landowner had a big shock learning that the gamekeeper was sub leasing the deer rights.. as he had no authority to do so. Infact his contract stated that he could not sublet any part of the sporting rights. Keeper got into trouble with the landowner, i lost the land and got my cash back and both the college friend and keeper blamed me and said I reported him to the police...
This was in Battle/Hastings area in Sussex.
Sometimes you can't win and some people are just dirty and do anything for cash.
Another lesson in life and a warning for many to heed!
Not really sure what they would be expecting though... seeing as most would presumably have needed to put down for a new calibre... Some chancers that...
His words to me were along the lines of
" We had a good system going and no issues with people before this"
I bet..
He was making more money on the side. I also never saw a deer there in the visits made.
My reckoning is because either nobody did variations for that land before or the Feos always managed to contact him directly.
2000 deer not acres...
Digging their own grave from the sounds of it then... Can't imagine they'd have gotten away with it forever
Koenig
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What did they both think was going to happen? And it’s somehow your fault????
Breathtaking stupidity on their parts.
HonestJohn
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HA! you've nailed that one down...too much of that esp. around Hawick and region.
MeatEaterMe
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For anyone who was caught by Stuart stokes/scs stalking/shooting etc please look at
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Gleedee
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Stuart stokes tried telling me there was wild boar and hundreds of deer on the grounds him and his father manage in Shropshire. No plan on cull figures. No lease agreement from landowner or agent. No plan on how to book a morning/evening out for yourself apart from he said WhatsApp but can’t really remember. Told him I would not be joining lol feel sorry to the people who have fallen into his lies in the hope they can shoot some deer!
What the gamekeeper did was totally wrong but I don't think it's right to use a bit of ground for a firearms license or variation with out speaking to the lease holder or landowner first. I would be upset if any of the guys that shoot for me did that.
Oh the guy knew full well. He was expecting direct contact though from the feo..
Sneaky bugger.
But technically I was the lease holder anyway by that point. I was leasing the deer rights away from his sporting rights, I owned them for one year from point of lease. Just he never had the right the sublet that part of his sporting rights anyway.
Why isn't it right if you're on a closed ticket?
Because it's good manners to ask first
Why isn't it right if you're on a closed ticket?
And if you've payed for it, it doesn't make a difference because you've payed for the rights.
A simple way to avoid that situation is honesty on their part. If they had done that they wouldn't have been in that situation
I am the primary point of contact for a large area which multiple people stalk on and I can tell you it's a constant juggling act to keep everyone happy. The starting point is to keep the land manager/ owner happy at all times and from my experience when using a bit of ground for a grant, renewal or variation it's good practice to inform the manager/owner first.
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