The Creedmoor conundrum

[HallyButt]

I got a picture of them shot with a digital but it doesn't count as it was a .243

Yep really need to get one sorted out, chasing £14k in bad debt at the moment ..

 

[Mungo]

You don’t think so?

150gr is far and away the most common bullet weight in .308 for stalking.

 

[Tim.243]

You don’t think so?

150gr is far and away the most common bullet weight in .308 for stalking.

I use 150 in the .270 so no I don't

 

[Mungo]

I use 150 in the .270 so no I don't

Completely irrelevant.

I was talking about what gets used in .308

 

[Tim.243]

Completely irrelevant.

I was talking about what gets used in .308

Put up the up the UK stats please...

 

[Mungo]

Put up the up the UK stats please...

I very much doubt anyone actually has that data.

The best anyone can do is go off sales. Go look on the shelves on any RFD and see what the most common weight is in .308. Last time I looked in detail (when manning a stall selling ammo at a Game Fair this summer), the ratio was 25% lighter than 150gr (mainly 123gr or 130 gr); 60% 150gr; and 15% heavier than 150gr. This for specifically hunting rounds, not target.

 

[Tim.243]

I very much doubt anyone actually has that data.

The best anyone can do is go off sales. Go look on the shelves on any RFD and see what the most common weight is in .308. Last time I looked in detail (when manning a stall selling ammo at a Game Fair this summer), the ratio was 25% lighter than 150gr (mainly 123gr or 130 gr); 60% 150gr; and 15% heavier than 150gr. This for specifically hunting rounds, not target.

So you took a guess from selling ammo on 1 stall!
Disappointed as your details are normally spot on.

 

[wildfowler.250]

Creedmoor, 260 rem, 6.5/55, 6.5/47

All essentially give the same performance

If you reload buy a 55, 260 or 47

If you don’t

Buy a creedmoor

If you have any self respect. (In jest )

Buy a 260, 6.5/55 or 6.5/47

Interesting replies folks. The 6.5CM certainly has a fair following on here anyway.

Ronin I actually load the 6.5x55 for the old man and shot a stag with it fairly recently. I can’t really fault it but I’m not too big a fan of the 140 grain trajectory and to be honest, wish I could get some 120’s to shoot better in it.

Are folk really still building specs in 6.5x55 though when there is more 6.5CM options these days? I think you’ll still have lots of components off the back of the 6.5cm popularity but it does feel a bit like going against a trend.



.25-06 sounds fab but I don’t see heaps of options for reloading it compared to the standard cals

 

[Mungo]

So you took a guess from selling ammo on 1 stall!
Disappointed as your details are normally spot on.

Go look on any RFD website that advertises ammo. The ratios are roughly constant: in .308, over 50% of hunting ammo for sale is in 150gr. Or go look at the ammo manufacturers line ups. Again, 150gr dominates.

Though I’m sure you can tell me why this doesn’t count.

 

[Tim.243]

Go look on any RFD website that advertises ammo. The ratios are roughly constant: in .308, over 50% of hunting ammo for sale is in 150gr. Or go look at the ammo manufacturers line ups. Again, 150gr dominates.

Though I’m sure you can tell me why this doesn’t count.

As you said " I very much doubt anyone actually has that data" which is fine by me.

 

[Cris]

There really must be something wrong with the CM if people have to make such a difficult decisions to buy one.

 

[KimE]

I have come across a few people recently that have said the only reason for not getting a 6.5 Creedmoor is they didnt want the ribbing, i tells its own storey, it really is a one size fits all calibre, yes it could be said of the 6.5x55 but that will be obsolete in a couple of years, the only reason not to is if your not man enough.

Yes 6,5*55, 270w, 3006, 45-70 are obsolete but you are still going to find factory ammo in the regular hunting stores for the next 100 years.

 

[Utectok]

Interesting replies folks. The 6.5CM certainly has a fair following on here anyway.

Ronin I actually load the 6.5x55 for the old man and shot a stag with it fairly recently. I can’t really fault it but I’m not too big a fan of the 140 grain trajectory and to be honest, wish I could get some 120’s to shoot better in it.

Are folk really still building specs in 6.5x55 though when there is more 6.5CM options these days? I think you’ll still have lots of components off the back of the 6.5cm popularity but it does feel a bit like going against a trend.



.25-06 sounds fab but I don’t see heaps of options for reloading it compared to the standard cals

Most rifle builders carry the 6.5x55 reamers and your right lighter bullets are better for uk game in my view. Yewtree tlrs are my go to at 114gn and 3100fps

 

[Docoak21]

Give a 6.5 creedmoor a go and you won't be disappointed, although there is a lot of hate towards the calibre it is a very effective round that'll cover the majority of your shooting needs and do it all very well.

 

[Mungo]

As you said " I very much doubt anyone actually has that data" which is fine by me.

Congratulations.

You have won a minor and inconsequential internet squabble.

One gold star for you can you can hand out the milk at break time.

 

[ejg]

True - though the majority of people stalking will be using 150gr in .308.

One would need to compare each case. My 6.5 CM / 140 shoots flatter than the 150's in 308 I used to use. BC for 150's is not great and therefore I prefer around 165-168gr for the 308. With 178ELDX coming into fashion in the 308 it will beat the 6.5CM on energy well into the 500m area. Question is if the energy of the 308 is really needed for our smallish deer. Some might not be able to handle the recoil.
I love the CM as a surgical tool and the 308 as a hammer especially for quick close up shooting.
edi

 

[wildfowler.250]

Yes 6,5*55, 270w, 3006, 45-70 are obsolete but you are still going to find factory ammo in the regular hunting stores for the next 100 years.

270 and .30-06 obsolete, I near choked

Most rifle builders carry the 6.5x55 reamers and your right lighter bullets are better for uk game in my view. Yewtree tlrs are my go to at 114gn and 3100fps

How do you find the TLRS? I only shoot for myself BUT I tend to take one estate day a year. I usually borrow the estate rifle for this because by the time you’ve tested and then trialled a couple of boxes that you’re happy with, the estate rifle is cheaper. I far rather using my own rifle though so may make sense to have a copper load I can use..

 

[wildfowler.250]

One would need to compare each case. My 6.5 CM / 140 shoots flatter than the 150's in 308 I used to use. BC for 150's is not great and therefore I prefer around 165-168gr for the 308. With 178ELDX coming into fashion in the 308 it will beat the 6.5CM on energy well into the 500m area. Question is if the energy of the 308 is really needed for our smallish deer. Some might not be able to handle the recoil.
I love the CM as a surgical tool and the 308 as a hammer especially for quick close up shooting.
edi

Is this for target? I get that they’ll buck the wind better but does bc really make much odds for stalking distances? Interested not knocking it

 

[ejg]

Is this for target? I get that they’ll buck the wind better but does bc really make much odds for stalking distances? Interested not knocking it

I shoot in areas where longer shots across valleys are the safest and best option. 400m is quite normal in these plantations and the 6.5CM works really well at that. There is always some wind and high BC also helps with Energy at the distance. High BC is a bonus from the muzzle onwards, doesn't harm at shorter ranges.
These two were taken at around 400m from across the valley, just about not visible at shorter ranges. This is a fenced in area that is supposed o keep deer out.

edi

 

[Terrydeer]

Nice set up ejg