Interesting nomination.
What’s your point though?
Fast twist 22 will work with non lead just fine ?
Why would that be a problem if lead got banned altogether
The future is bright for fast twist 22cf.
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What’s your point though?
Fast twist 22 will work with non lead just fine ?
Why would that be a problem if lead got banned altogether
Malxwal
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Final wording of the lead ban legislation may kaput everything, who knows ?
Because currently they’ve exempted .22 CF to allow people to continue to use it for fox and vermin.
They haven’t thought about the fact there’s no minimum calibre for deer in Scotland. They want people to stop using lead for deer so chances are, when they realise people are just switching to .22 they’ll ban lead in .22 CF too.
I like copper for deer, I don’t really want to be shooting lead free for fox I like light bullets that completely expand. For this purpose less free isn’t as good and the voices are minimal and yes, I’ve used lead free .22 CF for fox, I went straight back to lead.
It would probably need a change in the Deer Act too.
I can’t imagine any fox (or indeed roe deer) will walk away from a 45gr copper bullet going at 3700fps+
Based on what I’ve seen from my ARC, it will be very straightforward to switch from lead to copper as needed.
Part of the reason I got it was the fact that a 7twist barrel will cope with copper up to 70gr or possibly more perfectly well.
And it will fling light copper bullets at absurd speeds.
Based on what I’ve seen from my ARC, it will be very straightforward to switch from lead to copper as needed.
Part of the reason I got it was the fact that a 7twist barrel will cope with copper up to 70gr or possibly more perfectly well.
And it will fling light copper bullets at absurd speeds.
No doubt it will work, my point is using .22 lead for large deer risks is losing lead completely.
Plenty out there with 1:12 .223s and 1:14 .222s that won’t be able to match the ARC/22CM ballistics and if their guns may not shoot copper well.
Same as, no doubt, some fool will get caught using eld-m or tipped match king bullets for deer and we’ll lose lead for target shooting!
nun_hunter
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I appreciate people have their own views on lead Vs copper but surely getting an 80 grain 22 calibre bullet going fast enough to be big deer legal in Scotland would be more expensive and more hassle than simply using a copper bullet that's in a 6mm or above?
I imagine a small handful of people will give it a go, just because they can but they'll be in a tiny minority. It seems to be an expensive and high effort hill to die on.
I know someone with a .22-243, amazing with 77gn TMK, he was told to expect a barrel life of 900 rounds, he was happy with that as he's a keeper and its only used for foxes
You’re right, but it only takes a handful of lead contaminated carcasses for the authorities to look into it.
There also seems plenty of enthusiasm on this thread, and others, to give it a go.
One for you!!
I bought my 223 for MOD range when the nuggets banned 6.5’s - never really considered it to cover the stalking thing too….
Looks like the little 223 is a response to many bureaucratic problems!
Regards,
Gixer
It won’t push an 80 grain bullet to large deer legal velocity in Scotland.
ColinBr
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I'm pretty sure large deer ie red deer has a minimum calibre of 0.24" in Scotland
I’m not sure that it is? Unless the legislation has been updated to introduce .24” then there is no minimum, just a weight of 80 gr.
NatureScot recommended this to preclude the use of .22 CFs for deer (they are aware .22 CF has come along since the original legislation)
But the only change I am aware of is the minimum weight dropping to 80 gr to allow people to use lead free in .243 as 100 gr unlikely to stabilise in factory rifles.
Source- https://www.nature.scot/doc/natures...bullet-weight-lawful-culling-all-deer-species
I may be wrong though, and the recommendation of a minimum of .240” may have been written into law. Are you able to confirm?
BASC confirm the weight change but not an introduction of minimum calibre, here
Important information for deer managers in Scotland
Changes will be implemented this year for Scottish deer managers, affecting the male close season, night shooting and minimum bullet weights.
basc.org.uk
Malxwal
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Aye, pal of our up here is a big fan of the hotrod 22s, think he's been through a 22-243 or two, but is now on a 22 Creedmoor.
ColinBr
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Thanks
It may have been old legislation that stated the 0.24" minimum calibre that I possibly dreamt up
You’re likely just thinking of England and Wales…Thanks
It may have been old legislation that stated the 0.24" minimum calibre that I possibly dreamt up
He also said there’s probably still people in the office that think it’s .240Thanks
It may have been old legislation that stated the 0.24" minimum calibre that I possibly dreamt up
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