The people's republic of Scotland

[LuckyEddie]

As has been oft quoted "We have nothing to fear except fear itself"

Did the people of India know what lay ahead of them when they gained independence?
Did the Poles know what to expect when they threw the communist government out?

 

[Gazza]

Just to alter the debate. Imagine that we were at present an independent country with our own parliament run by the Government that the people residing in Scotland had elected. On 18 September we were voting not to become independent but to join the Union, to be Governed by a Government that sits hundreds of miles away in another country and that we would be required to share our assets with the other countries in the Union and would have no say in what that share was. How would you vote?

 

[timbrayford]

Actually, the question is "Should the United Kingdom be broken up?" If that is the case we should all have a vote. The decision will change all our lives and many will have no say at all.

David.

Absolutely correct, the UK is a united Scottish and English Kingdom and as such both nations should vote on the dissolution of this (apologies to the residents of NI and Wales but if I understand the constitution correctly both your nations are "provinces")

 

[Shabz]

Just to alter the debate. Imagine that we were at present an independent country with our own parliament run by the Government that the people residing in Scotland had elected. On 18 September we were voting not to become independent but to join the Union, to be Governed by a Government that sits hundreds of miles away in another country and that we would be required to share our assets with the other countries in the Union and would have no say in what that share was. How would you vote?

You mean like an independent Scotland will do with the EU?

 

[timbrayford]

Ironic isn't it that a newly independent Scotland might find difficulty getting into the EU at the very time that England may have similar difficulties getting out of it!
atb Tim

 

[rick6point5]

I think that getting into the EU is not the only hurdle they will fall at, and if they do.. expect massive fallout and complications getting independent banking & investment off the ground, business & government loan repayments will carry a 'new state' risk % making them less competitive in the long run, and as usual the estimated cost will not be what is actually spent, if they have no EU funding just who will help? Donald Trump??

 

[skywull]

I am a very sensitive person. I still Cry watching ET .

Yorkie.

awwww anno so do i yorky do you not think et looks a bit like nicola sturgeon

 

[deeangeo]

An interesting letter to read: In full: General Sir Richard Shirreff’s letter - The Scotsman

 

[private fraser]

I work for Network Rail who's to say my job is safe?
I'll suddenly be employed by a foreign business as a lot of people already are

Scotland will still need railways so your job is a bit safer than the jobs in Faslane, BAE Given and various other defence contractors.
Salmon's seems happy to wave bye-bye to them.
They may feel differently.

 

[private fraser]

As has been oft quoted "We have nothing to fear except fear itself"

Did the people of India know what lay ahead of them when they gained independence?
Did the Poles know what to expect when they threw the communist government out?

On the contrary...inform yourself of what Will happen if Salmonds la-la land comes about..and be very afraid.

 

[private fraser]

Any major city within or supporting a nuclear capable regime would definitely remain a target. With the nuclear capability removed and the association to a regime with nuclear capability severed would Scotland really still be such a target?

Yep.
Once the nukes are moved a bit south then any nuclear fallout will be kind enough to stop at wur border.
La-la land.

 

[urx]

Project 'faith' continues peddling its version of wishful thinking dressed as fact...it's followers unable to see what they are trying to actually drag us into... Their eyes firmly fixed on a mirage called freedumb

 

[private fraser]

Just to alter the debate. Imagine that we were at present an independent country with our own parliament run by the Government that the people residing in Scotland had elected. On 18 September we were voting not to become independent but to join the Union, to be Governed by a Government that sits hundreds of miles away in another country and that we would be required to share our assets with the other countries in the Union and would have no say in what that share was. How would you vote?

As pointed out by Shabz above, we will have to deal with the EEC re Our assets,that'll be fun.
I reckon they will be picking us over like a dealer at a car boot sale while we stand bunnet in hand asking to be let in.
At present,we have Westminster to help deal with the nightmare of rules'n'regs that is the eec and don't knock it.
If it's Yes then all we will have is Salmond and his super intelligent team.
No need to worry then ?.
Also we will have the cost and the hassle of un-picking our assets with the rest of the uk and setting up our own.
Things like a Mcdvla and a McTax dept etc but again no needs to worry or be afraid. Things like that always get done on time and in budget don't they ?.

 

[SL6.5]

Yep.
Once the nukes are moved a bit south then any nuclear fallout will be kind enough to stop at wur border.
La-la land.

Either outcome would be terrible but if there was a voting choice between taking a direct tactical nuclear strike and fallout, I'd vote for the fallout and take my chances. I think this sort of conversation is at the very core of the whole issue. No stands for negativity and Yes stands for positivity. Is Scotland a more positive place or a more negative place? In two weeks time we'll find out.

 

[private fraser]

Lol...have you checked out the power of nukes nowadays..it's not Hiroshima any more.

You may see it as positive negative, I see it a guarantees and security Vs wee Eck's hopes dreams and promises.
Have a good look and listen to the man....come on..really?.
The only thing that's missing is him promising that a space ship will come and pick us up.

 

[mudman]

I have copied this reply to an article in a Scottish newspaper:


The SNP believe the electorate are swallowing the propaganda of the three stooges but the outcome of a Yes will be disastrous:

An independent Scotland will use the pound without a currency agreement this will raise interest rates in Scotland by about 3% adding £250 per month on a £100k mortgage. House prices will then fall 20 to 30%. Due to in addition Scotland's reneging on debt, no lender of last resort, and being out of Europe.

Job losses in Scotland will be in the order of 100,000 in the first two years of independence. Banks Finance Houses, Insurers, will announce plans to relocate South to meet European regulations that Banks must be domiciled in the Country where the majority of business is carried out.

Its impossible for Scotland to stay in Europe and it will take 5 to 10 years to be admitted due to Scotland's EU membership. There are three countries besides the UK that will veto Scotland for very good reasons. Scottish Business and commerce will have to relocate to maintain their trade with Europe after the Scotland exit from Europe March 2016.

Scotland out of Europe with the rest of the UK receiving an economic boost with Scottish Business, Banks and Finance houses moving South to trade in Europe that the UK will never leave Europe after Scotland's exit.

It is amazing that Scotland are voting on September 18th to leave or to stay in Europe and it seems the general population don't realize this.

The Barnett formula block additional subsidy payment not the full grant just the special needs element is about £10 billion a year and this will end. North Sea oil revenues are forecast to be £4 billion next year hence this leaves a £6 Billion shortfall from the Barnett formula this shortfall will have to be borrowed from international markets.

There will have to be tax rises, benefits cuts, NHS cuts and its only a matter of time before free university education is cut as if Scotland did ever succeed in getting into Europe the same facility to all other eurpean members is a condition of membership. This includes England, Ireland, Wales and the rest of Europe.

It cannot be funded the SNP will tell you anything to get a Yes vote.

The three stooges are treating the electorate like fools.

 

[SL6.5]

Lol...have you checked out the power of nukes nowadays..it's not Hiroshima any more.

You may see it as positive negative, I see it a guarantees and security Vs wee Eck's hopes dreams and promises.
Have a good look and listen to the man....come on..really?.
The only thing that's missing is him promising that a space ship will come and pick us up.

Are you saying we can't dodge a nuclear strike? and so we should vote to continue the likelihood of one? that makes no sense to me. I don't like Mr. Salmond's public persona but even so I have to admit that the only promise I've actually seen him offer is the promise of the possibility of self determination, self determination in a country which is already on a divergent path from the rest of the nation it currently sits ill at odds in.

 

[rick6point5]

I am not so sure he can fulfill the promise of Self Determination in the true sense, could these be the latest political ' in words' taken from Brave heart but given a modern spin..?

 

[private fraser]

Are you saying we can't dodge a nuclear strike? and so we should vote to continue the likelihood of one? that makes no sense to me. I don't like Mr. Salmond's public persona but even so I have to admit that the only promise I've actually seen him offer is the promise of the possibility of self determination, self determination in a country which is already on a divergent path from the rest of the nation it currently sits ill at odds in.

Check out mudmans post,just above yours.
It really does say it all.

 

[SL6.5]

Check out mudmans post,just above yours.
It really does say it all.

I did read it. In the same vein as one of your earlier posts, all it doesn't promise is; that a spaceship is coming to obliterate us. i.e. More unsubstantiated negativity.