This weeks Fieldsports Britian episode - Ballistic tips and head shooting

[blunderbust]

Just watched it and can’t believe that anyone would want to be associated with the content that has been filmed and the commentary made throughout. As has been stated this has one use and only one use, as a good, “how not to do it”clip for the DSC L 1. Unbelievable.

 

[devonoak]

FF
Sadly, money talks. There was a lot of footage of my operation that I would have liked in there such as the training side but I wasn't paying. The first episode about Norma almost didn't happen because idiot Oliver kept calling the Norma ammo "ballistic tips". I pointed this out to David and told him that he 58 round they were using was actually a V max made by Hornady and "ballistic tip" is a trademark of Nosler - should have seen his face!

If looking at FSTV a year ago they have come on in leaps and bounds so hopefully it will keep going forward. Incidentally, I had no intentions whatsoever of shooting an animal for the camera, that's not my thing.


HME

HME- interesting to hear that was you on the programme. I'm not going to comment on the rest of it, it has all been said , but I will ask, where in the sw are you? I'd be quite interested in popping up to your range sometime.
Tom

 

[finnbear270]

Well I have to admit I know David and Oliver and don,t know why they took those shots, David shoots more foxes in a year than most people on this site see in a life time, as to his ability as a deer stalker when I took him stalking he would never have taken a shot like that.

Maybe these guys need to go out with you a bit more often?

 

[Colin_B]

Here is Fieldsports response to the comments on their Youtube channel, regarding this episode and the lack of a visable back-stop.

"We're glad to report that the backstop was fine. The camera angle is not always generous to our shooters and gives the viewer an unreliable POV of anything other than the subject in frame - in this case the deer. We are committed to showing best practice in shooting sports. Maybe a line of voice-over to reassure viewers about backstop would have been sensible, but we don't like to clog up films with lots of didactic stuff."

I'm still not sure.

The pressure of getting a shot on tape might make a person take a risk.

 

[davy t]

i would not have taken the shots shown on the show
did not look at all safe

 

[ytene]

I hope the AW that signed off his DSC2 if he has one can sleep soundly ...!

 

[Taff]

Ytene, as pointed out by another aw, neck shooting is ok as long as you have a explanation, as to the muntjac I spoke to the shooter, and he has explained why the shot was taken. I may not agree with the reason but the shot was taken.

 

[sikamalc]

As one of the site owners I try (unsuccesfully at times) to remain neutral in many threads, but having just watched this I feel I must make a comment.

Camera angles can play tricks I admit but the shot on the Roe doe had me wincing. The description after the shot was taken did not show any further damage to the animal which must have occured as it was licking its flank. The bullet exited the head and must have blown the top of the spine away as well? Also the back stop was very worrying, I sincerely hope there are no footpaths behind the beast. Even so it would not be considered a safe shot in my opinion or a shot that would be signed off if taking your level 2.

The Muntjac was a similar situation, but in low light and again what appeared to be no consideration for a safe back stop. No client of mine would have been allowed to take such a shot, it appeared to me to be a very unsafe shot to be taken. Again for Level 2 it would have been a fail.

This business of bullets is talked to death, and at the end of the day its placement and safety that counts. All in all I feel that both of the shots taken were unsafe and the Roe in particular should not have been shot whilst cleaning its flank, a bit more patience should have been shown by the stalker.

 

[jamross65]

This business of bullets is talked to death, and at the end of the day its placement and safety that counts. All in all I feel that both of the shots taken were unsafe and the Roe in particular should not have been shot whilst cleaning its flank, a bit more patience should have been shown by the stalker.

Again, as someone who practices neck or head shooting a lot, this comment about patience is the most relevant part of that practice.

I would never have contemplated that shot at that time either. A simple whistle or shout at that animal would have probably caused it to look at the stalker and offer a better site picture, however the backstop was never going to improve. The animal was settled given it felt safe to groom, and lifting its head to look at the noise would have meant a stationary target above it's body.

I accept that camera angles can be deceiving but as there were no high seats, and this roe was shot crossing a narrow ride with the camera man next to the shooter, the angle could not possibly change that much unless the man with the camera was lying down and the shooter was standing (what are the chances of that???)

However, if I was choosing a .243 bullet to specifically head shoot, it would be either a 'BT' style or HP from 70-90 grains.

 

[Mr. Gain]

The bullet exited the head and must have blown the top of the spine away as well.

On the video you can clearly see an entry wound high on the chest behind the left shoulder when the doe goes down. Rather dishonestly the makers of the film carefully avoid showing this part of the animal in subsequent shots.

I do think FSTV are generally a good thing for field sports and for their associated trades, but this was a long way from their finest hour, to put it mildly.

I don't imagine Zeiss are too happy about having their "Rapid Z" reticle repeatedly described as a "Rapid 7" either.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

I do think FSTV are generally a good thing for field sports and for their associated trades, but this was a long way from their finest hour, to put it mildly.

+1 i also laughed at the amateur refocus to get all the brand/sponsors names in..

 

[rh120]

WKRS comes to mind

 

[howa243]

Jesus that is a shocker. Why on earth would anyone take those shots. I assume the camera man was not looking at the same angle as the shooter but it looked like the shot was on an upward angle. Certainly the shot on the munties had the next county as its backstop.

 

[dean]

that was never a chest shot on the munty .as for the roe scary shooting

 

[Cougar]

Shocking all round. Not a lot else you can say.

 

[flyingfisherman]

Just watched this weeks episode of FSTV (4th Jan 2012) and nice to see english safaris bod has been broadcast again saying several times about the norma ballistic tips..

After HME gave david some constructive criticism i would have thought they would have removed that part of the show as the english safari bod doesnt exactly know his product very well (or so it seems)..

On a positive note, the new feature, team wild was good, ok i have to grin and bear the advertising but overall was a good part of the show!

 

[danpd]

I agree the Norma segment was once again pretty pointless with that idiot Oliver. Team Wild whilst initially sounding like a bunch of marmite miners was actually okay.

 

[bobjs]

JUST WATCHED IT AND IF I HAD HIT THAT MUNTY ON MY TEST DAY MY MENTORS WOULD HAVE KICKED MY r'S FROM HAMPSHIRE INTO WILTSHIRE WITHOUT TOUCHING THE GROUND,

as for the rest of it, now i remember why i don't watch it,

bob.