Trophy Ban Bill

[IBD]

They will try kill it off by the already mad paperwork and shipping charges being asked..

Paying a months wages to import a bear back from Canada what with crating , shipping, customs , tax , storage this end etc

 

[stalker.308]

They will try kill it off by the already mad paperwork and shipping charges being asked..

Paying a months wages to import a bear back from Canada what with crating , shipping, customs , tax , storage this end etc

I got my black bear hide and skull back for just under £100. Did all the paperwork myself. Didn't even have import or customs charges.

 

[IBD]

I got my black bear hide and skull back for just under £100. Did all the paperwork myself. Didn't even have import or customs charges.

Damn I’m having to cough up approx 3k

 

[Apthorpe]

There was a chap on GB news pontificating about animals being shot mostly in fenced areas.
But did not say how big the area, if was not open land I would not be interested in hunting there.

I have been shooting in one of these "fenced areas" antis like to get aerated about. It was something like 130,000 acres of otherwise undisturbed wilderness. They're fenced to keep people and domestic livestock out, rather than particularly to confine the animals artificially. Obviously, the traditional migrations several species took are no longer viable. 50,000 wildebeest crossing a motorway or migrating through fields, towns etc are not a recipe for harmony.
There are some places where animals may be fenced in small areas to be shot, but the campaigning makes little distinction and tars everyone with the worst practice.

 

[stalker.308]

Damn I’m having to cough up approx 3k

I lied, UK import certificate was £67.

At 3k, I would have gone over there and brought it back myself, plus got a hunt in.

 

[IBD]

I lied, UK import certificate was £67.

At 3k, I would have gone over there and brought it back myself, plus got a hunt in.

Prob is you can’t just bring it back now. Got have all sorts of shizzle.

 

[wildfowler.250]

So what’s the latest guys? I assume it’s not fully closed?

Do I dare start saving up for that Africa trip?

 

[willie_gunn]

Good to see this letter in The Grauniad today:

Regulated trophy hunting aids wildlife conservation | Letter

Letter: A group of academics and conservationists argue that bans on regulated hunting can lead to a greater loss of wildlife

www.theguardian.com

Animal cruelty is abhorrent, and we welcome actions that unambiguously increase animal welfare. However, campaigns that conflate the cruelty of elephant rides and dolphin attractions with the conservation dividends supported by sustainable hunting (Letters, 1 April) risk decreasing animal welfare and imperilling biodiversity.

We are concerned that pressure from well-meaning campaigners to enact the current animals abroad bill will not in fact “lead the way on animal welfare”. In particular, calls to ban trophy imports, a major component of the bill and a sadly misguided manifesto promise, risk removing key incentives to conserve wildlife in many regions of global conservation significance.

Evidence shows that removing regulated trophy hunting – and the incentives it creates for conservation – without having viable funded alternatives ready can lead to greater losses of wildlife, due to subsequent increases in illegal, unsustainable and inhumane killings of animals using snares, dogs, local weapons and poisons.

A single trophy-hunted lion generates worldwide media attention, but the daily snaring and poisoning of lions in areas where they have little local value is largely ignored. Simplistic solutions to complex problems rarely work.

Adam Hart University of Gloucestershire, Dan Challender University of Oxford, Alayne Cotterill Lion Landscapes, Amy Dickman University of Oxford, Julia Jones Bangor University, Robert Knell Queen Mary University of London, Maxi Pia Louis Namibian Association of CBNRM Support Organizations, Rodgers Lubilo Community Leaders Network of Southern Africa, EJ Milner-Gulland University of Oxford, Dilys Roe IUCN Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group, Hugh Webster Wild Entrust

 

[andyk]

@willie_gunn the letter misses the point.

So long as the killing is illegal, the luvvies can have a clear conscience. If more of these species are exterminated, that’s regrettable but at least they will know they’ve done their bit to ensure it isn’t legally condoned.

 

[sikamalc]

So what’s the latest guys? I assume it’s not fully closed?

Do I dare start saving up for that Africa trip?

I would carry on and book.

Frankly this whole bill is riddled with holes as far as I can see. Besides the UK is signed up to CITIES, which these bleeding heart idiots fail to point out to the general public, when they post their rants about so called trophy hunting. And I also think its been partly Bo Jo's wife and that other cretin Packham, that have been pushing the buttons to get it through.
What I would add is that the freight to ship any trophies back is now a horrendous price. You are far better getting any of them mounted over here, than Africa, as this will vastly reduce the volume in the box.

 

[wildfowler.250]

I would carry on and book.

Frankly this whole bill is riddled with holes as far as I can see. Besides the UK is signed up to CITIES, which these bleeding heart idiots fail to point out to the general public, when they post their rants about so called trophy hunting. And I also think its been partly Bo Jo's wife and that other cretin Packham, that have been pushing the buttons to get it through.
What I would add is that the freight to ship any trophies back is now a horrendous price. You are far better getting any of them mounted over here, than Africa, as this will vastly reduce the volume in the box.

I’ve a very crude idea of CITIES but? If you required a cities permit to import something eg a kudu in the near future. Because we as the UK are signed up to it, we would still be able to import?

I think I would have the work done here tbh. I’m not sure what the standard dip and pack and shipping timeframe is post safari? A year turnaround until the skins come back?

At least you can mount them as you go and spread the costs as well

 

[sikamalc]

I’ve a very crude idea of CITIES but? If you required a cities permit to import something eg a kudu in the near future. Because we as the UK are signed up to it, we would still be able to import?

I think I would have the work done here tbh. I’m not sure what the standard dip and pack and shipping timeframe is post safari? A year turnaround until the skins come back?

At least you can mount them as you go and spread the costs as well

Kudu would not require a CITIES permit. Most plains game animals do not require a CITIES permit.
And yes I agree, you are better bringing the skins back and having them mounted in the UK. At least you can get them done one at a time.

 

[Basil H]

By coincidence, Nicolaj Bichel has a long thread on his Twitter feed this morning explaining how CITES works, especially re trophies. He is working on a book about trophy hunting based on his Ph.D. Interesting chap.