Yes, any killing behind wire when dressed up as 'sport' or trophy gathering (ie the UK Bison or Buckbones Stags (never seems to be hinds)) is bad for our sport. The only possible way I could justify money changing hands is if it was as a bona fide training exercise.
What utter BS this is.
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Yes, any killing behind wire when dressed up as 'sport' or trophy gathering (ie the UK Bison or Buckbones Stags (never seems to be hinds)) is bad for our sport. The only possible way I could justify money changing hands is if it was as a bona fide training exercise.
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY BEFORE SENDING A PM, I AM NOT OFFERING A DAYS DEER STALKING ON RED DEER, IT IS THE CULLING OF A RED DEER AS PART OF THE COURSE.It getting to the time of year when I start cull stags
The Trophy Barn is offering.
The opportunity for a novice / beginner deer stalkers to undertake a beginner’s course in red deer management that will INCLUDE the culling of a large red stag as part of the day GUARANTEED.
The course is a total hands on experience. From time on my range shooting from a bench. Learning about bullet placement and shot reaction. Culling of a stag and correct approach and inspection of External and internal of the carcass. To a fully equipped game room to skin learn how to skin and break up the carcass.
Deer stalking is not all about the shot but the hole experience and I can offer an day that few stalkers can and that is the time on a deer. Most stalking outfits let you shoot if you see a deer, but not gralloch and handle the carcass. There not charges for meat damage on any part of the day. Its all about giving you the chance to try and make mistakes in a controlled Environment under my supervision.
There are stags from 8 to 12 points
The course will include:
· Range time on life-size red deer targets from 100 yards out to 200 yards
· Bullet placement and the practice of culling deer in a park environment
· Culling of a red stag under supervision
· Photo opportunities
· Hands on training in the gralloching
· Training in inspection of the carcass for disease
· Hands on training in skinning
· Breaking the carcass down into its primary pieces for the larder
· I can provide a rifle if needed.
· You are welcome to use more than one rifle on the range.
A letter will be provided to show you have done some basic training in the deer management, bullet placement, use of fire arms and the successfully culled a deer under supervision. This letter can be included with you FAC application of proof that you are actively gaining hands on experience.
Cost of the day course is £340.00 inc a cull animal. But we will have some very nice 12 pointers for wall hangers please just ask.
(Price will depending on how good the head is. As the antlers have not finished growing yet I have no idea how many 10/12 point animals there will be.)
B&B is available at £30 for the night.
Participants will be receive a small complimentary meat package and are also invited to take the stag’s head if desired.
I can also arrange to have the head professionally cleaned and mounted for you at an additional cost.
For more information please click on the web site, PM, Or contact me or thetrophybarn@btinternet.com
Cheers Andrew
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY …. I can guarantee some a good animals, there is no doubt in this. But the day is aimed at inexperienced stalkers who wish to learn how to cull and prepare a deer with total hands on experience. Come with your eye open and you will have a great day.
Mudman,
As you choose to libel Andrew, where exactly is he dressing something up to be sport or trophy hunting?
Stan
I wrote trophy gathering, not trophy hunting. By even mentioning stags are available between 8 and 12 points that to me strongly implies there are trophies to be obtained. But then I also said if such an operation is a bona fide training operation then that could justify payment in my eyes.
jamross65
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It is absolutely nothing like shooting canned lions in Africa...
you are missing the point with this animal. It has been kept in a pen and is part of a chain of deer producing venison, for consumption. It may well have been born and reared in such circumstances for all we know. Its genes have been passed on to offspring via hinds it has covered because as I said earlier, just like domestic stock the best if the best bulls are used for the same purpose, then themselves killed for consumption. It is no doubt an outstanding animal and because if what it's been fed on has grown to what is by all accounts and abnormal size with regards to its head. As it ages and is replaced by a younger beast what happens to it? It's culled and will enter the food chain. So who gets to do that? Someone paying for that task or wee Jimmy who feeds the deer every day?
How is this no different to canned hunting for lions? Can you explain?
jamross65
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Sorry, meant to add I agree its not hunting and as such it's badged incorrectly. The only reason there could be an issue is because it's advertised as a hunt, which it clearly is not on an open source which does associate it with what we do in normal ever management.....
Mind, I've said it before on here, is calling sex crazed roebucks in during the rut from 500 yards away any less sporting?
Mind, I've said it before on here, is calling sex crazed roebucks in during the rut from 500 yards away any less sporting?
daven
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To read on the internet, it seems like in Texas, the accepted method of "hunting" whitetail is to feed em protein and goodies all year then set up a blind and shoot em off the feeders.... Or, if you want a little more of a challenge, scatter some corn on the ground and shootem that way.... To each their own I guess...
landkeeper
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i would imagine it's been selectively bred to grow antlers of such proportions! and now will end up as a money maker, either as it's going back or maybe it's a jaffa lol
He must be worth more dead, than alive as a breeding stag, if you look at some of the deer enterprises elsewhere in the world that sort of head is desirable for it's genetic potential i would think the meat value never enters the equation
as far as canned hunt's go where do you draw the line what acreage is acceptable and what isn't some of the scottish islands are smaller than some of the hunting 'haciendas' elsewhere in the world
He must be worth more dead, than alive as a breeding stag, if you look at some of the deer enterprises elsewhere in the world that sort of head is desirable for it's genetic potential i would think the meat value never enters the equation
as far as canned hunt's go where do you draw the line what acreage is acceptable and what isn't some of the scottish islands are smaller than some of the hunting 'haciendas' elsewhere in the world
Mudman,
What size would you expect farm stags to be when they are at the optimum weight for the food chain?
8-12 pointers are relatively young in farming terms. You have to cull stags younger than hinds because of the "damage" they can do. A high hind herd is more manageable.
The operation is a farm where the herder come butcher is a deer stalker. He used to offer the opportunity to spend a day learning to butcher (and shoot, gralloch, extract etc.) but some on here are jealous of anyone making money.
Stan
Sidewinder
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Yep, the hunt is designed for the fat American rich guy and his fat wife (although I knew this Belgian aristocrat who use to do this sh^t too). They basically put the trophy in front of him and tell him to shoot, and then he has something to brag about in his home. This is the kind of crap that gives hunting a bad name, more ammo for the libs and should be curtailed.
Paul at Fechan
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it's the humane slaughter of an animal for the privilege of claiming the trophy, nothing to do with hunting, stalking or the ethos of fair chase. Why are people having a problem with this? It's simple supply and demand in a niche market for people with a lot of cash and a need to have bragging rights
Mudman,
The farm that Buckbones works on slaughter, butcher and sell all their own deer and bison. All done on site, as many of those who have been there are happy with.
Stan
Sidewinder
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Nope, I have a problem because anyone to do something like this is a jerk off, and I don't like jerk offs! I could afford to go on one of these hunts, but I like to earn my animal, and don't like people who take short cuts. It undermines the sport and all the hunters who took legitimate gold medal bucks in the field (and their taxidermist). Its the champagne liberal thing to do, curtail everyone else's right to hunt, but those that have cash can go to the amusement park!
pheasant sniper 1
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Possibly advertised incorrectly as a hunt for the Red Stag I agree
I still cant see why those that cant afford it or don't want it have a problem with somebody that's willing to cough up his hard earned and take a cull animal...Who gives a toss about his bragging rights anyway.. Its nobody elses business..
That sort of money will see the business and estate secure for a good bit longer than it might have been otherwise.
The biggest BS is on here where as usual a small minority who this sort of thing doesn't appeal to don't just want to have a moan about it but would like to stop those that wish to from culling park animals... That's BS
I still cant see why those that cant afford it or don't want it have a problem with somebody that's willing to cough up his hard earned and take a cull animal...Who gives a toss about his bragging rights anyway.. Its nobody elses business..
That sort of money will see the business and estate secure for a good bit longer than it might have been otherwise.
The biggest BS is on here where as usual a small minority who this sort of thing doesn't appeal to don't just want to have a moan about it but would like to stop those that wish to from culling park animals... That's BS
Amhuinnsuidhe
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Well said PS1.
Uncle Buck
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There's no sport in this trophy... a pig fattened up for slaughter fenced/park reared, not to mention the money ! spondoolies ! wonga or whatever
you want to call it.
It would be as quick just to lead it up the race into the crush &
let the so called "Sportsman" give it the captive bolt. ....
& claim his Acropora cervicornis (Staghorn coral).
Nevertheless there is always someone.....!
you want to call it.
It would be as quick just to lead it up the race into the crush &
let the so called "Sportsman" give it the captive bolt. ....
& claim his Acropora cervicornis (Staghorn coral).
Nevertheless there is always someone.....!
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John Gryphon
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The animal itself? It is indeed in a pen (doh) and a bluudy small one at that too. That in itself poses no problems at all to the prospective pen hunters as they want something for their money and cbf`ed going to the 'trouble' of walking a hill like the common man or the other wealthy man that gets onto the hill for the pleasure of the true stalk.
The animal is in that pen day in and day out and even if it is in a 1000 acre pen and shot at and missed five days in a row by some sort of ***** shooter that couldn`t hit a bull in the aarse with a long handled shovel it will still be there in that same pen for the next day. (the hypothetical misses wont happen in this case as the animal will come to the bucket rattling)
It can never equate to hunting/stalking ever and I really do wish that the people that cause the demand by shelling out the big money would wake up to the fact that the "trophy" is worth jack ***** in the eyes of the bloke that simply stalks the hill and the supply of such genetic monstrosities will stop. They of course don't care about the common man and will continue to shell out for such as the advertised.
They are cheating themselves by buying such to put over the fireplace.
The animal is in that pen day in and day out and even if it is in a 1000 acre pen and shot at and missed five days in a row by some sort of ***** shooter that couldn`t hit a bull in the aarse with a long handled shovel it will still be there in that same pen for the next day. (the hypothetical misses wont happen in this case as the animal will come to the bucket rattling)
It can never equate to hunting/stalking ever and I really do wish that the people that cause the demand by shelling out the big money would wake up to the fact that the "trophy" is worth jack ***** in the eyes of the bloke that simply stalks the hill and the supply of such genetic monstrosities will stop. They of course don't care about the common man and will continue to shell out for such as the advertised.
They are cheating themselves by buying such to put over the fireplace.
Sidewinder
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When you get your gun rights taken away because some jerk off likes to gun down people, and your hunting rights curtailed because rich libs want to mow down a lion and post it on facebook, then you'll be moaning. Anybody who abuses ethics "just because they can" is a jerk off.
kev.rem700
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Well said buck.Too me its the same as purchasing a mounted stag you never stalked yourself . Their is no trophy aspect too it atall.
Regards kev
pheasant sniper 1
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Pathetic quotes totally not on subject or relevant to it either...
Estates securing their future by offering cull beasts for any man who wishes to take up the offer is their business.
The offer taken by whoever is none of yours or my business..
What on earth has this post got to do with the gunning down of people as you state???
To me your mind and way of thinking are consistent with a total jerk off
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