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And the SD Coven goes into overdrive!
What utter BS this is.
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Wildboar1973
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As Daven said.... You would be surprised!
There a lot, in my eyes much too many people out there, having a lot, maybe too much money to spend on everything, one of the very few thrills left for them is gaining trophies from living animals, no matter where from...
I supported a study from a South African student about lion hunting in South Africa and did some survey on the game fair in Dortmund about it a few years ago....
It was almost discusting to realize what big business trophy hunting worldwide is, big farms producing big horns and bigger animals to get killed, in many cases not even hunted....
In my eyes: A shame for any true hunter, stalker and sportsman!
landkeeper
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google is an eye opener
http://www.deernz.org/productivity-improvement-hub/deer-information/antlers/trophy#.UsCtPPRdWzA
http://www.deernz.org/productivity-improvement-hub/deer-information/antlers/trophy#.UsCtPPRdWzA
jamross65
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I find it quite hypocritical actually when this sort of thing is criticised in such a manner with suggestions of it bringing our sport into disrepute, yet rearing thousands of pheasants in the summer to be released I to woods and then driven over guns a few weeks later for sport is considered okay? Where is your hunting ethics in that?
Like this stag being culled (not hunted) I don't have a problem with it, nor rearing pheasants, or stocking a pond with rainbow trout that are caught the same day. But 'oh my god' don't dare touch our precious deer with the same dirty hand.....
Like this stag being culled (not hunted) I don't have a problem with it, nor rearing pheasants, or stocking a pond with rainbow trout that are caught the same day. But 'oh my god' don't dare touch our precious deer with the same dirty hand.....
Agree completely. In Kiwi, this industry follows a strong set of rules & brings in a large amount of money to regional areas. Hunting as a cultural pursuit in Kiwi is stronger for this industry & its political pull due to its large economic value.
It's a free country. If you don't like it then you don't have to partake. Save your energy to fight the hunting antis, not those who actively promote the lifestyle.
Cheers Sharkey
John Gryphon
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Hunting as a cultural pursuit in Kiwi is stronger for this industry & its political pull due to its large economic value.
Not to the residents of NZ`s largest hunting community online..they think that these deals stink too especially when they are not promoting any lifestyle other than for extremely rich people to partake in..and one would take it for granted that the buyer should be deemed extremely rich if he has 150 large to drop on an aberration.
I would suggest that the rank and file hunt community in NZ spends far more money per year than the deer pen mobs selling hunts....
And as far as the Tahr bull to shoot included with the hunt no doubt that is one that is a result of live capture specifically for the purpose of placing in the low foothill pen...then with extremely rich fat baastard hunter flown by chopper to a nice rocky crag with snow for the photo shoot...that is as common as hens in a fowl house too!
Photo enlarged and placed on wall for all to see the lie!
Not to the residents of NZ`s largest hunting community online..they think that these deals stink too especially when they are not promoting any lifestyle other than for extremely rich people to partake in..and one would take it for granted that the buyer should be deemed extremely rich if he has 150 large to drop on an aberration.
I would suggest that the rank and file hunt community in NZ spends far more money per year than the deer pen mobs selling hunts....
And as far as the Tahr bull to shoot included with the hunt no doubt that is one that is a result of live capture specifically for the purpose of placing in the low foothill pen...then with extremely rich fat baastard hunter flown by chopper to a nice rocky crag with snow for the photo shoot...that is as common as hens in a fowl house too!
Photo enlarged and placed on wall for all to see the lie!
pheasant sniper 1
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You got to laugh.. an aberration in your eyes it may be ( incidently to mine aswell ) but since when do you or I have the monopoly to dictate what others should wish to have up on their wall or the way in wish they choose to do it...
So somebody happy to pay their hard earned or not so hard, who knows or cares wishing to spend it on a cull farmed animal has so far been labelled a jerk, fat baastard and all the rest.. They also have been inferred to be more likely to gun down other people.
Its not my scene to go plug a sedated lion behind a fence but if someone else wants to that's their business and their money. Even though i dont agree
Get a life...
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JabaliHunter
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It becomes everyone's business when hunting is banned because of poor public perceptions, as happened to hunting in Botswana and dangerous game hunting in Zambia, even fox hunting in the UK, etc., etc., etc. One argument may be that its nobody's business and to get a life. Another is that we as 'sportsmen' should stand up for ethics and not capitulate for the sake of short term profit.
pheasant sniper 1
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I agree, but thats not the case here is it?
A farmed animal that needs culling has been offered for a hefty sum.
The individual taking it does not wrong us as sportsmen in this case or ethically..
There is imo a big diference between taking a park animal that is to be culled than the growing trade of breeding big or dangerous game to be sedated for canned hunting.
The park or fenced cull should not be advertised as a hunt.. but i see no reason why a park animal that an individual wishes to shoot that in turn sustains the estate should be of such concern..
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Sidewinder
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Exactly....
Here is another example.....You have this place called Wyoming with these big animals called elk. You get small manufactures selling rifles promising to kill elk at plus 1,000 yards. Then, the big fat rich American buys this rifle, but he can’t shoot for sh^t. He fires, wounds the animal and boom that elk is gone, only to be filmed by some lib 10 miles down the road. To top it off, you have everyone killing off all the trophies and the best genes. Boom, the libs get there way and the wolf is introduced because they kill the weakest. Boom, the wolf population soars and the elk population craters. Who do you blame? The lib? No, the great white hunter with no ethics.
If an estate can’t make money in an ethical manner with proper deer management, then they should be growing swede or grazing sheep for a living. I can introduce you people to some of these rich hunters wielding money around like its nothing, and I guarantee most of you would despise them.
I do not see this as a farmed deer in need of culling. I see it as a deer that has been specifically bred and raised to pruduce a very abnormal head, PURELY to serve the purpose of the advert.
In other words. exactly the same as a pen reared Pheasant that released for a driven shoot.
Ethically it sticks. Sportingly it stinks. But it is perfectly legal so will carry on
In other words. exactly the same as a pen reared Pheasant that released for a driven shoot.
Ethically it sticks. Sportingly it stinks. But it is perfectly legal so will carry on
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John Gryphon
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But of course you cast poop on what I have to say then top it all off with " get a life" I see your own posts produce nothing much better than mine from your high throne Majesty!
I`m also enthralled to read that you of all people actually agree with my choice of the word 'aberration' NICE!
an aberration in your eyes it may be ( incidently to mine aswell
Ah you have to laugh at some as you say!
Wildboar1973
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......hhhmmmmhhhmmm, a lot of thoughts....
Maybe we will agree in one point:
The more money is involved, the more someone may expect, the more the sportsmen character will get lost or covered by some bigger trophy....
Definetively not the view on our sport, hobby and passion or even profession, the public should have!
Maybe we will agree in one point:
The more money is involved, the more someone may expect, the more the sportsmen character will get lost or covered by some bigger trophy....
Definetively not the view on our sport, hobby and passion or even profession, the public should have!
daven
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Exactly.............. **** the tree huggers off and you're screwed.... You folks hunt in your spare time as a hobby, they make FB pages to bash you and sabotage hunts..... Bubba is his/her own worst enemy.... When's the last time you folks went badger hunting, or were not bombarded with starlings and other pests? Things were good I bet before someone done sumpin stupid or unethical..... Ethics are a dangerous subject cause, just like opinions and religion, everyone has different ways of translating the books and work them to advance whatever cause they may be supporting....... Nothing wrong with the culling in principal, but it shouldn't be advertised as spectacular as it is....
jamross65
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So it's okay to breed the best quality hinds in a farm and specifically rear them for venison and in turn profit, but it's not okay to do the same with the male of the species as a profit is being made on his head? Really.......?
Its not hunting, it does not interest me at all, but if I had a deer farm in the UK producing venison and the breeding stag was about to be replaced and some rich bloke said he would pay me £20,000 to shoot it for me if he could keep the head, I would hand him the rifle. As I bet most on this thread would as well if trying to make a living. I may stand behind him thinking I don't get this, but so what!
So what's the real issue with this offer then? Is it okay as long as we do it behind closed doors for fear of the outside world getting an insight to a branch of rearing deer we think could be associated with normal deer management policies? If this practice was attacked by antis, how would that effect the normal day to day management of wild deer, un-penned ones?
howa243
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Agree with much of this other than the fact that this is leading to abnormal heads being bred for. Not simply culling out a stag that's going back. Personally I don't agree with 'manufacturing' an animal for aesthetic reasons, whether it be deer or dogs.
howa243
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You might be taking me too literally, but I see your point.
pheasant sniper 1
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Nicely put.
Ah a Majesty casting poop, or was it BS... watch out for my new year speach on you tube..
On this thread youll notice apart from the name calling of people that take part in park culling and the bickering any differing opinion of substance doesnt get a descent reply..
I agree with howa243 about manufacturing heads but in the real world where an estate just getting by or thriving is in question, whats ideal is not whats going to happen. Shoe on other foot and all that..
I shall be retiring to my quarters now..good day
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