Which is the best digi scope

[Nickb]

First one to the Alpex this morning. Shot about 45 mins before sunrise on a very murky morning. I couldn't make out the deer with the binos but got a shot with the Alpex quite clearly. Nice red hind at about 165yds. I reckon it'd have been another 15+ mins before I could see with a conventional scope, by which time the deer would have made the wood they were heading back to.

I'm becoming converted

Knew you would like it

 

[sauer]

Everybody's eyes are different
For me best bang for your buck at moment is the dnt zulu...cheaper than the rest
Lightweight compared to others
Onboard Integral IR so no additional ergonomic issues or mounts for more 'stuff"
Said IR I put onto auto and forget about it ..it just works
Lrf and ballistic calculator works well
Reasonable enough day pic etc
Easy enough menu and to input data for ballistics etc.

Not looked thru an alpex 4k bit meant to be good ...bit heavier ...but also more traditional mounting if that's a consideration
Needs IR non onboard so to speak

Oh and yes s the bolt on that rifle is on the correct side !

 

[Nickb]

Everybody's eyes are different
For me best bang for your buck at moment is the dnt zulu...cheaper than the rest
Lightweight compared to others
Onboard Integral IR so no additional ergonomic issues or mounts for more 'stuff"
Said IR I put onto auto and forget about it ..it just works
Lrf and ballistic calculator works well
Reasonable enough day pic etc
Easy enough menu and to input data for ballistics etc.

Not looked thru an alpex 4k bit meant to be good ...bit heavier ...but also more traditional mounting if that's a consideration
Needs IR non onboard so to speak

Oh and yes s the bolt on that rifle is on the correct side !

I much prefer a traditional looking scope though that's why I bought Alpex , Zulus and Pard are ugly looking things , I know it's a tool to do a job but you have to still like it.

 

[sauer]

Yup definitely for some it's a consideration ...
I think it's small fleet compact light and like it
If we were all the same world would be a boring place and innovation/ progress might not be so forthcoming

Paul

 

[BenBhoy]

I was out with my Alpex last night. Didn't get bugger all but what amazed me was how good it was with no IR. Granted it was hell of a moon but even when cloud covered & sky that lit up pink type, the picture through alpex was incredible, right out to 200yds+

 

[Donkey Basher]

First one to the Alpex this morning. Shot about 45 mins before sunrise on a very murky morning. I couldn't make out the deer with the binos but got a shot with the Alpex quite clearly. Nice red hind at about 165yds. I reckon it'd have been another 15+ mins before I could see with a conventional scope, by which time the deer would have made the wood they were heading back to.

I'm becoming converted

I was a reluctant convert… until I bought one & took it out on the does - wow, it was literally like someone’s thrown the curtains open! Then I ran out of ammo so switched back to the trusty 308 with the 6-24x56 Diavari, I’ve shot a few deer with it but have been waiting to get back out with the Alpex. Loaded some more ammo & the Alpex will be back in service next weekend & I can’t wait!

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Nowt wrong with digging fox chap.. Lot more selective control than some divi practicing long range target practice with them..

Recent Alpex purchase solely for Deer management

I'm sure the fox takes great comfort in the knowledge that it's been carefully selected to be dispatched- all while it's hiding in it's den, terrorised, eventually dug out to the sound of multiple dogs and humans before being ripped apart if it's unlucky and shot if it's lucky.

 

[BenBhoy]

I'm sure the fox takes great comfort in the knowledge that it's been carefully selected to be dispatched- all while it's hiding in it's den, terrorised, eventually dug out to the sound of multiple dogs and humans before being ripped apart if it's unlucky and shot if it's lucky.

Wow who needs enemies with friends like you!

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Wow who needs enemies with friends like you!

Such distasteful practices creates enemies.

If all quarry were treated as well as most people do deer- the hunting/ shooting communities reputation would be in far better shape.

 

[BenBhoy]

Such distasteful practices creates enemies.

If all quarry were treated as well as most people do deer- the hunting/ shooting communities reputation would be in far better shape.

That's just it tho - it wouldn't make any odds. To a blinkered anti in central London, they can't understand any of it & therefore hate us all equally. They'd laugh in your face if you said you respect deer you shoot & find it as hard to comprehend as you do with digging.

 

[Camdig]

I'm sure the fox takes great comfort in the knowledge that it's been carefully selected to be dispatched- all while it's hiding in it's den, terrorised, eventually dug out to the sound of multiple dogs and humans before being ripped apart if it's unlucky and shot if it's lucky.

You obviously never did terrier work, a good terrier can be worked every day and doesn't fight with fox, text book terrier work is to bolt fox and shoot with shotgun no ripping apart.
On the occasion you don't get a bolt you dig down remove terrier and despatch fox.
Foxes aren't emotional humans that live in fear you know.
You be the same guy that shoots milky vixens and doesn't bother to finish the job?
Now on topic Alpex A50t excellent and just recently acquired a C50 that will be going on .223 for deer and pests

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

That's just it tho - it wouldn't make any odds. To a blinkered anti in central London, they can't understand any of it & therefore hate us all equally. They'd laugh in your face if you said you respect deer you shoot & find it as hard to comprehend as you do with digging.

There certainly would be the hard line blinkered type who thinks everyone should be vegan and life without death is possible etc etc and such people are likely beyond reason and debate.

But IMO a large number of cautious/slightly suspicious/generally disapproving types would take a more reasonable view if the outdoor community shunned the crueler practices.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

You obviously never did terrier work, a good terrier can be worked every day and doesn't fight with fox, text book terrier work is to bolt fox and shoot with shotgun no ripping apart.
On the occasion you don't get a bolt you dig down remove terrier and despatch fox.
Foxes aren't emotional humans that live in fear you know.
You be the same guy that shoots milky vixens and doesn't bother to finish the job?

Foxes are not emotional humans (well done sherlock). BUT they aren't robots either. They absolutely are capeable of a range of emotions- far simpler than humans obviously- but amongst other emotions they absolutely will feel fear. What do you think a fox goes through when it's being chased and dug out ? They live in complex social structures and have the emotions to go with it.

How on earth can you link my dislike for digging Foxes out with my attitude to milky vixens ?! You made all that up in your head

 

[Camdig]

Foxes are not emotional humans (well done sherlock). BUT they aren't robots either. They absolutely are capeable of a range of emotions- far simpler than humans obviously- but amongst other emotions they absolutely will feel fear. What do you think a fox goes through when it's being chased and dug out ? They live in complex social structures and have the emotions to go with it.

How on earth can you link my dislike for digging Foxes out with my attitude to milky vixens ?! You made all that up in your head

Lol complex social structures, is that them meeting round the public den to discuss the pros and cons of night vision or thermal?
The milky vixens was a question not a statement that you have avoided.
You will be pleased that the majority of traditional country pursuits involving hounds and terriers is banned now so you can rest easy that there won't be foxes needing therapy.

 

[Sheamus]

I'm sure the fox takes great comfort in the knowledge that it's been carefully selected to be dispatched- all while it's hiding in it's den, terrorised, eventually dug out to the sound of multiple dogs and humans before being ripped apart if it's unlucky and shot if it's lucky.

You are entitled to your opinion silly_boyle and i respect your view.
You can just imagine my mental picture of you in my head..

 

[BenBhoy]

suspicious/generally disapproving types would take a more reasonable view if the outdoor community shunned the crueler practices.

But that's my point, if the already disapprove, then on their opinion shooting is also cruel.

I grew up around terriers. My dad was never a shooting man but he worked runners & earth. Not for a hunt, just him (sometimes with permission!! ) Nothing like it & if someone never had the chance before bollocks Blair came along then I feel sorry for you.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Lol complex social structures, is that them meeting round the public den to discuss the pros and cons of night vision or thermal?
The milky vixens was a question not a statement that you have avoided.
You will be pleased that the majority of traditional country pursuits involving hounds and terriers is banned now so you can rest easy that there won't be foxes needing therapy.

Ha yeah you're spot on with their topics of conversation

Your question looked rhetorical to me. But if you actually want an answer- no- I do not usually chase down young dependent cubs. I try ti avoid it- I don't shoot foxes during the period young cubs are dependent. I can't distinguish between vixens and dogs until after I pull the trigger- so I leave them all alone. Plenty of time to get them before and after. The vixen and cubs will still have a tougher time if you shoot the dog- as the vixen then has to go out hunting instead of rearing the cubs.

If a problem fox started taking chickens or something I would deal with it during cub season- and indeed I would deal with the young cubs if they were dependent. Poor lt devil's. But I try to avoid it in the first place if I can.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

You are entitled to your opinion silly_boyle and i respect your view.
You can just imagine my mental picture of you in my head..

Roomy.

 

[Sheamus]

What breed type of Earth Dogs did you Oldman use?

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

But that's my point, if the already disapprove, then on their opinion shooting is also cruel.

I grew up around terriers. My dad was never a shooting man but he worked runners & earth. Not for a hunt, just him (sometimes with permission!! ) Nothing like it & if someone never had the chance before bollocks Blair came along then I feel sorry for you.

I would hope that the average person would be open to nuance- and would distinguish between lots of humans and animals vs 1 wild fox- and other forms of shooting.

Ignoring the suffering a fox would go through from a bunch of terrier men- the average joe on the street has a sense of fair play and numbers. 1 animal vs lots of humans/dogs doesn't seem fair to many. Especially when the animal has retreated to its home.