electic collars

[Les Brooks]

Hi Guys

I have used an electric collar in the past on my viszla. She had been trained by me to the whistle and I could stop and turn her at quite some distance. Now I wanted her to hunt infront of me and point becase I wanted a HPR. The electic collar became necessary if she bumped a hare or couched up deer. By the time I could get the whistle to my lips she could be 150m away full gallop, locked and loaded. The protol I use was try the whistle twice and if that failed press the button. It worked a treat and was far less cruel than a kick, wack with a stick etc etc or getting run over or shot by a farmer.Being an intelligent dog she gave up chaseing game quite quickly and is still and excellent hunting dog. I could not think of another way to deal with this behaviour as it is difficult to find tame hares and deer to work with. The bloodhound never needed the collar as she was a much less kinetic kind of dog.
Any idiot can abuse a dog electic collar or not.
As usual on this forum beware the words never and always, and only 20% of what you read

ATB

Mark

Mark, I'm sorry mate, I really am sick of this argument, I understand what you're saying but the bottom line is that something has gone wrong in the basic training if the dog doesn't stop to the whistle.
They are all going to try their luck at some point it's how you react at that point, with my dogs a nasty look and at worse a stamp of my foot (not on the dog) and the dog goes back in the car.
Please don't assume that just because people don't use a collar that they must kick the dog in the ribs or hit it with a stick.
If you are working your dog keep that whistle stuck in ya gob

 

[geoffrey]

Out of interest i have been looking at cocker springer and lab, field trial champions and owners for the past 25 years and could not see any name that i might have heard of, after the first day my cocker was third in the running in the long retrieve at Detling country show last year, he may well have won it had he not stopped twice for a pee on the way back,

 

[Wolverine]

Out of interest i have been looking at cocker springer and lab, field trial champions and owners for the past 25 years and could not see any name that i might have heard of, after the first day my cocker was third in the running in the long retrieve at Detling country show last year, he may well have won it had he not stopped twice for a pee on the way back,

You have a cocker and you have never heard of Keith Erlandson.if it wasn't for keith the working cocker wouldn't exist as we know it today.speckle of ardoon.won the av spaniel championship 3year on the trot.will never be done again.gwibernant line and cortman lane were springers of his

 

[Dan Gliballs]

It is very short sighted of people to say "I didnt need to use one so no one should".

I agree that they are a terrible thing if used in the wrong hands but they are a very usefull tool if used in the right.

 

[Les Brooks]

It is very short sighted of people to say "I didnt need to use one so no one should".

I agree that they are a terrible thing if used in the wrong hands but they are a very usefull tool if used in the right.

There is never a "need" to use one, maybe a "want" to use one.
The "want" to use one will only ever happen if basic training has not succeeded

 

[Wolverine]

Did the guys who started the breeding of our dogs have electric collars.does a mother wolf zap her young.think like a dog and you shouldn't need to zap em.why use one in the first place if the dog is coming on fine if dog isn't coming on try going back a few steps and persevering rather than a percieved quick fix

 

[Dan Gliballs]

I got an adult terrier from a fellow stalker, this dog was to be used for foxes but was partial to sheep, I tried eveythingthing I know to try and crack him of it, I also took some advice from other terrier men but to no avail, nothing I tried worked.

I bought an electric collar and with ONE full power correction the dog was sorted.

IMO the collar saved that dogs life.

I have trained several dogs and never needed a collar, just a change of tone in my voice is usually enough.

 

[Les Brooks]

I got an adult terrier from a fellow stalker, this dog was to be used for foxes but was partial to sheep, I tried eveythingthing I know to try and crack him of it, I also took some advice from other terrier men but to no avail, nothing I tried worked.

I bought an electric collar and with ONE full power correction the dog was sorted.

IMO the collar saved that dogs life.

I have trained several dogs and never needed a collar, just a change of tone in my voice is usually enough.

So has the dog never had the collar on since?

 

[Wolverine]

I got an adult terrier from a fellow stalker, this dog was to be used for foxes but was partial to sheep, I tried eveythingthing I know to try and crack him of it, I also took some advice from other terrier men but to no avail, nothing I tried worked.

I bought an electric collar and with ONE full power correction the dog was sorted.

IMO the collar saved that dogs life.

I have trained several dogs and never needed a collar, just a change of tone in my voice is usually enough.

Look back earlier in thread dan,I did say for certain things they may be useful that is one of those times,did you try putting terrier in with ewe an lamb.mind you bad idea it is a terrier bloody things never give up.chasing sheep is one o those times it could be justified to be used especially if it is well ingrained in a dog.bet you he was a cracker on fox too.as said earlier horses for courses.if it works for you fair enough.I personally don't like them.a terrier has also a high prey drive

 

[Dan Gliballs]

So has the dog never had the collar on since?

Nope.

He wore it for 3 days prior to the "correction" and for the day after and never since.

I no longer have him as he turned out too hard for my liking but he used to come straight back to me when he saw sheep running.

When I used the collar on him I waited until he selected a ewe and just as he opened his jaws to grab her I zapped him.

Job jobbed

 

[65X55]

its just a lazy mans way of training dogs , prob same people also use a range finders and various other short cuts to doing things the proper way , people want fast fix tricks to train dogs, shoot deer ,nobody wants to put the work in , its society in general , its not the dogs that need training it s the monkeys that buy them , they think a trained dog is like a push bike , put it in the shed and next time ya get it out it will be the same well its not ! and no amount of electric shocks gonna change it pressing the button means ya failed !

 

[Dan Gliballs]

its just a lazy mans way of training dogs , prob same people also use a range finders and various other short cuts to doing things the proper way , people want fast fix tricks to train dogs, shoot deer ,nobody wants to put the work in , its society in general , its not the dogs that need training it s the monkeys that buy them , they think a trained dog is like a push bike , put it in the shed and next time ya get it out it will be the same well its not ! and no amount of electric shocks gonna change it pressing the button means ya failed !

so you shoot with iron sights right?

I mean, who would use such an aid as a telescope, lets face it, if you put the work in you could get close enough for open sights!

 

[65X55]

no mate big stick and chase it till it stops , then bop it on the head .How can you compare a telescopic sight which aids the accuracy of a shot to ensure a clean kill and an electric shock to a dog cos ya cant be bothered to train it properly

 

[Dan Gliballs]

no mate big stick and chase it till it stops , then bop it on the head .How can you compare a telescopic sight which aids the accuracy of a shot to ensure a clean kill and an electric shock to a dog cos ya cant be bothered to train it properly

But iron sights are as accurate as you need, look at Bisley comps.

The reason you use a telescope is because of progression, as time goes on things are invented and new gizmos come on the market that make the job (for some) that little bit easier, some people like to use/take advantage of these technological advances.

You dont agree with electric collars, thats fine, some of my guests hate bipods, thats fine.

 

[Wolverine]

Dan some percieved advances aren't always as good as the old ways,oh no I'm beginning to sound like my father,eg would you advocate night sights for shooting deer under license,just because technology is there do you have to use it?

 

[65X55]

what about night sights and hellis it would get the job done real quick , i understand why people want to use them but a job done properly will always be done better , get to know your dog better build a trusting relationship without the gadget s , trust me it will be a better dog for it , leave the gadget s to the yanks they love em

 

[Dan Gliballs]

Dan some percieved advances aren't always as good as the old ways,oh no I'm beginning to sound like my father,eg would you advocate night sights for shooting deer under license,just because technology is there do you have to use it?

I shoot some where in the region of 100 deer a year under license from DCS using a spotlight. I cant see where night sights would benefit me.

I havent used the equipment you mention so it would be daft of me to say it is right or wrong.

 

[Wolverine]

I shoot some where in the region of 100 deer a year under license from DCS using a spotlight. I cant see where night sights would benefit me.

I havent used the equipment you mention so it would be daft of me to say it is right or wrong.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong just that it is there to use.like the e collar.I also shoot under license that's why I have dogs for deer,also a substantial no stalked the old way,with dog at heel indicating.like I said earlier don't like e collars but if they work for you fair play.point I'm making just because technology is there you don't need to use it.especially when it can make a dog a nervous wreck,not a terrier like,lol

 

[Dan Gliballs]

point I'm making just because technology is there you don't need to use it.especially when it can make a dog a nervous wreck,not a terrier like,lol

Its all in the use of them though, you can ruin a dog VERY quickly with one.

The only reason I am saying there is a place for them is that I used one on my terrier and it saved his life.

It would be daft of me to say I dont agree but they DO have their limitation/place

 

[bambislayer]

Wonder why none of the top trainers use them then.

You are very niave if you beleive that.

I don't know a pro trainer without one

As they say , you can't kid a kidder

Way of thread and topic , but if a night sight , makes night shooting more effective and humane, then why the hell not use it, it's a lot better than a candle and iron sights.