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Redstag, i got a remote training collar for my spaniel who had a habbit of taking off in thick woods for hours! to my frantic searching he would return unfazed several hours latter looking like he had the time of his life!
Get one of the very good instructional vids from the USA, they use them on a good many of their hunting dogs and recon they are essencial for rattle snake avoidance trainig (assume those dogs that fail are in big trouble) Needless to say after a short training period i have never had a run off even when working in maize with large numbers of birds. in fact the collar signifies a hunting day and is welcomed by the dogs. the last two seasons have never required its use.
Some dogs just need a little more channeling than others and if used properly are a very effective tool to provide early correction when distance is an issue.
Get one of the very good instructional vids from the USA, they use them on a good many of their hunting dogs and recon they are essencial for rattle snake avoidance trainig (assume those dogs that fail are in big trouble) Needless to say after a short training period i have never had a run off even when working in maize with large numbers of birds. in fact the collar signifies a hunting day and is welcomed by the dogs. the last two seasons have never required its use.
Some dogs just need a little more channeling than others and if used properly are a very effective tool to provide early correction when distance is an issue.
BuckarooUK
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I have one and have used it on both my Chesapeakes for one use only - curbing them from chasing sheep / livestock. The bitch took one use only but the dog is particularly stubborn so needed a further two lessons.
It's since been used on a half dozen other dogs for the same reason. I wouldn't use it for general training nor would i allow someone else to use mine on their dog for general training.
I shall continue to use it regardless of what the pen-pushers decide. There are alot of sheep here and i am 100% confident that none of my dogs will ever chase or worry a sheep.cattle.
It's since been used on a half dozen other dogs for the same reason. I wouldn't use it for general training nor would i allow someone else to use mine on their dog for general training.
I shall continue to use it regardless of what the pen-pushers decide. There are alot of sheep here and i am 100% confident that none of my dogs will ever chase or worry a sheep.cattle.
BRYAN
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Hi.
I took on a strong lab who at one year old had been kept with russels and springers. The previous owner just used to drive to a concrete hardstanding and open the car door for the whole bunch to run down the hedgerow.
Needless to say,he was a bugger for chasing any little sound in the hedge and totally ignoring me.
When your leg is not long enough to allow kicking them the collar comes into its own.
The collar has been in the drawer for over two years now and I don't expect to use it on him any more.
Good luck - Bryan.
I took on a strong lab who at one year old had been kept with russels and springers. The previous owner just used to drive to a concrete hardstanding and open the car door for the whole bunch to run down the hedgerow.
Needless to say,he was a bugger for chasing any little sound in the hedge and totally ignoring me.
When your leg is not long enough to allow kicking them the collar comes into its own.
The collar has been in the drawer for over two years now and I don't expect to use it on him any more.
Good luck - Bryan.
doghound
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I dont think the dog minded at all but the wife kicked up fierce when I put it on her!
seriously though although I have not used one, I went to a gundog clinic where an american trainer demonstrated using one on a volunteers dog that was a bit "deaf" at distance. I was suitably impressed he used the "nick" setting which a lot of US sets have. Its a micro second pulse at low setting, he even used it for positive reinforcement. The yanks are definately the experts with collars and some of the techniques they use are far more evolved than "giving a jolt as punishement" try and get a US video if you are thinking of getting one.
John Gryphon
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I used one on three from the one litter that I broke in at the same time. One always wanted to "go" the steers here and until he got Mr Shocko nothing much would dissuade him. My collar also has a vibratory effect that is perfect to call the dog back in at distance and is oh so silent,excellent!
Q Hodadr in fact the collar signifies a hunting day and is welcomed by the dogs.
Yes ,agreed my own put their heads through the collar voluntarily,they know they are in for a big day out too,rarely and I mean rarely is the shocko side of things ever used now.
Q Hodadr in fact the collar signifies a hunting day and is welcomed by the dogs.
Yes ,agreed my own put their heads through the collar voluntarily,they know they are in for a big day out too,rarely and I mean rarely is the shocko side of things ever used now.
Les Brooks
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So they must also know they can do what they like when the collar isn't on?
sweep 6.5x55
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cruel and barbaric things that should have no place in dog training if you cannot train a dog without resulting to remote control torture then you should not have a dog
BuckarooUK
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Here we go. I tell you what sweep, you're less than 5 mins away, come on over to Wiston and i'll introduce you to my 2 chessies. You won't find more hard charging, big boisterous dominant dogs which i'll match against any other dog on the marsh. You don't know the meaning of stubborn until you've tried to tell a chessie 'no' to something they enjoy - like chasing sheep or hammering other dogs.
I'd rather my dogs experienced a total of 5 mins of discomfort than not being 100% sure they are safe around sheep - and it is discomfort; not pain.
fallowfields
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I would rather use an electric collar,than a12 bore on a dog chasing sheep .Of course we have no problem with a farmer using an electric stockfence so what is the difference between the two both are training devices.
WAYNE DAVIES
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I am not a fan of electric collars and I agree with sweep a little bit, if your training a half decent dog from a pup you shouldn't need a collar if you get it right.
The main problem is often the traininer not the dog. There is no way they should be used as a quick fix for folks who can't be arsed to put the time in.
HOWEVER as a few have said if you have a particulary stubborn dog or one which has been mistrained they are SOMETIMES a cure.
I once seen a gun on a shoot who had a cocker he had made a total cock up of training and thought it fine to keep zapping the poor bugger every five minutes. I had a quiet word and told him what I was going to attach it to next and see how much he liked it
WD
The main problem is often the traininer not the dog. There is no way they should be used as a quick fix for folks who can't be arsed to put the time in.
HOWEVER as a few have said if you have a particulary stubborn dog or one which has been mistrained they are SOMETIMES a cure.
I once seen a gun on a shoot who had a cocker he had made a total cock up of training and thought it fine to keep zapping the poor bugger every five minutes. I had a quiet word and told him what I was going to attach it to next and see how much he liked it
WD
I have used one on my bitch and they do certainly work if used as used as a corrective tool, ie your dog has been trained to react to a set command but as some do chooses not to obey. This is definately a benefit when working your dog at a distance as this is where the majority of problems begin. Do not use the collar to often as your dog will know when it is wearing it and when it is not so when taking the dog out for exercise put it on one day, leave it off the next etc. If your dog has been trained correctly in the first place you do not need to hurt hin/her they will normaly react to the lowest of settings. I would recomend that you put the collar onto your wrist and see what shock your dog is getting but do not do as I did and give the Zapper to my wife whilst doing this and soon had it wound up to maximum
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In the correct hands a collar is an effective means of ironing out problems, in incorrect hands I would even though I use one consider them to be cruel, but so is beating them with a stick or giving them a good kicking when they return. The good thing with the collar is that they do not associate the discomfort with you but rather with what they have just done.
John.
.In the correct hands a collar is an effective means of ironing out problems, in incorrect hands I would even though I use one consider them to be cruel, but so is beating them with a stick or giving them a good kicking when they return. The good thing with the collar is that they do not associate the discomfort with you but rather with what they have just done.
John.
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Morgy
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The are a fabulous training aid for those who know how to use them and like any other training aid can be abused by those who do not know how to use them.
Before use the dog must understand the command being given. The collar is fitted and the dog allowed to relax and when the dog is calm and relaxed the dial which is set at "0" is gradually and slowly increased until the dog reacts, by reacts I mean say a flick of its ear, that is the lowest setting for that particular dog and the setting you want to use.
Some people then use a constant stimulation and when the dog complies with a "known command" stop stimulating the dog, in essence the dog learns how to switch off the stimulation, the faster he sits the quicker the annoyance round his kneck stops.
In situations where the dog is reckless you can turn the dial up to an uncomfortable setting with the dog quickly learning that it should cease doing whatever it is doing, this of course is where abuse can take place. The dog that doesnt know a command, or an impatient handler, can quickly abuse his own dog causing real problems with the training thereafter.
I have seen stock chasing dogs stopped dead in their tracks and not want to look at another sheep, the alternative "Shoot the dog?" as always some people, (including me until I was taught how to use one) think they are cruel, so it becomes an emotive issue and the cause of major rows.
Before use the dog must understand the command being given. The collar is fitted and the dog allowed to relax and when the dog is calm and relaxed the dial which is set at "0" is gradually and slowly increased until the dog reacts, by reacts I mean say a flick of its ear, that is the lowest setting for that particular dog and the setting you want to use.
Some people then use a constant stimulation and when the dog complies with a "known command" stop stimulating the dog, in essence the dog learns how to switch off the stimulation, the faster he sits the quicker the annoyance round his kneck stops.
In situations where the dog is reckless you can turn the dial up to an uncomfortable setting with the dog quickly learning that it should cease doing whatever it is doing, this of course is where abuse can take place. The dog that doesnt know a command, or an impatient handler, can quickly abuse his own dog causing real problems with the training thereafter.
I have seen stock chasing dogs stopped dead in their tracks and not want to look at another sheep, the alternative "Shoot the dog?" as always some people, (including me until I was taught how to use one) think they are cruel, so it becomes an emotive issue and the cause of major rows.
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Hales Smut
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How much of the anti's have realy used one??? What is the alternative for the dog. Yes, .....
I train dogs for more than 2 decades. A collar is no substitute for training, but can help a trained dog understand quickly that the arm of the boss is far longer then he thaught.
The dog understands a lot quicker that there is no getting away. There are good video's/DVD's available that explain how to do it. I used a video from a US trainer George Hickox, Training the upland flushing dog. But I am sure there are other good one's around.
In one word : A great modern tool to make dog training much more "animal friendly".
I train dogs for more than 2 decades. A collar is no substitute for training, but can help a trained dog understand quickly that the arm of the boss is far longer then he thaught.
The dog understands a lot quicker that there is no getting away. There are good video's/DVD's available that explain how to do it. I used a video from a US trainer George Hickox, Training the upland flushing dog. But I am sure there are other good one's around.
In one word : A great modern tool to make dog training much more "animal friendly".
Les Brooks
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Stick it round your neck and have a zap and then tell me it's not painfull
Hales Smut
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I've done it. I know what I would chose. A light electtic stimulation is far less hard than a few good kicks size 12 in the ribcage.
I stay with my opinion : 99 % of the anti's don't know what they talk about.
I stay with my opinion : 99 % of the anti's don't know what they talk about.
Les Brooks
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That's a good description of it.....not.
So if you didn't have a collar you'd be kicking your dogs in the ribs?
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