6.5 creedmoor or .308??? 😖

[Steve2_1]

Know this has been done to death .... I've been put in for a 6.5 creed on my grant application (11 months and counting, urgh) and heard all the pros, cons, etc. But I can't ignore the simple fact .308 is lower cost, more readily available, and up to 250 yards nothing really in accuracy. So tempted to make a change....

In my limited experience 6.5 creed is laser accurate, 308 has more bullet drop yet still very accurate, can anyone give any further constructive thoughts?

Thanks all

 

[paulux]

308 or 6.5cm

Right I have decided the 270 is on the way but I am stuck on what to get 308 or 6.5cm. Could I have some advice on both, barrel lengths etc. I take it both would be future proof with non lead. Thanks

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[Steve2_1]

308 or 6.5cm

Right I have decided the 270 is on the way but I am stuck on what to get 308 or 6.5cm. Could I have some advice on both, barrel lengths etc. I take it both would be future proof with non lead. Thanks

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Yep, good shout .... Looks like it has indeed been done to death, should have spotted that before posting. Thanks for the pointer

 

[Leupsak]

Thats a dark rabbit hole @Steve2_1, They both kill deer mate but one can be difficult to find reloading components for and you may need to order a rifle in the caliber you want and wait 12 months so my advice would be to just buy the rifle caliber you can find on the shelf near you, the deer don't care!

PS
Both are more accurate than you are

 

[Steve2_1]

Thats a dark rabbit hole @Steve2_1, They both kill deer mate but one can be difficult to find reloading components for and you may need to order a rifle in the caliber you want and wait 12 months so my advice would be to just buy the rifle caliber you can find on the shelf near you, the deer don't care!

PS
Both are more accurate than you are

Thank you.

I used a 6.5 cm on my DSC1 and at 100 yards put 3 bullets within an inch of each other, but you could do the same with a 308 ... After reading through another post I'm orientating towards the 308 largely because of ammo availability, and up to 300 yards there is virtually nothing in it ... Out of being responsible it's unlikely I'll ever shoot a deer beyond 300 yards in the real world

 

[Muir]

Done to death.
Look about 4 threads below yours. ~Muir

 

[ChesterP]

Beware the man with one rifle. The .308
Does it all for UK stalking, fox control and wild boar huning; bullet drop is irrelevant if you know your drops.

The only considerations between it and a 6.5CM are that the CM suffers a little less wind drift with higher BC bullets and recoils quit a lot loss so you can keep the quarry in sight during and after the shot is taken. It won't jump off POA with recoil as much as the 308.

Reloading cost differences between the two are pretty negligible. Factory costs can be slightly higher for CM.

308 will have greater barrel life.

Not a lot else to add really

 

[norcan]

308..
16-18" barrel
Add a suppressor.
120-130 monobullets.
Point and shoot to 300yards.
Barrel lasts 3-4 times longer then 6.5CM

 

[NullMac]

Just gone the other way. Had a 270 and 308, they have gone and 65CM coming.

As you say not much in it. Shot 308 for ever so fancied a change as much as anything. If you are inside 250 it is all the same, 65 recoils a bit less but that's about it. The 65 bullets fly a bit better so have higher impact velocities a bit further out so if I run Hornady Superperformance ammo I am not giving up anything really out on the hill for the stopping shot. The 308 copper stuff was worrying me that it was too slow further out for convincing expansion. I got fed up with 2 rifles so just wanted to go to one.

In the woods it is all the same

 

[scotch_egg]

308..
16-18" barrel
Add a suppressor.
120-130 monobullets.
Point and shoot to 300yards.
Barrel lasts 3-4 times longer then 6.5CM

This describes one of my setups to a T

 

[ChesterP]

Worth pointing out ballistically that the 6.5CM can be used for 6.5 "heavies" up to 150grn and these due to form factor are high sectional density so exhibit very good penetration, one reason that the Swede has been so popular for European Elk for a century in Sweden and other Nordic countries. This is one reason CM scores against the 260 Rem in efficiency, as the 260 has a shorter throat dimension meaning bullets need seating further in, losing out on some case capacity advantage. Still nothing much in it though.

 

[Mungo]

Know this has been done to death .... I've been put in for a 6.5 creed on my grant application (11 months and counting, urgh) and heard all the pros, cons, etc. But I can't ignore the simple fact .308 is lower cost, more readily available, and up to 250 yards nothing really in accuracy. So tempted to make a change....

In my limited experience 6.5 creed is laser accurate, 308 has more bullet drop yet still very accurate, can anyone give any further constructive thoughts?

Thanks all

You could choose one of the two entirely at random each time you went out and never know the difference based on the outcome.

The difference in drop is so small you would need to be an international standard shooter shooting a high end F Class rig to really notice the difference.

 

[longrangestalker]

6.5 over 308 the 30-06 is far superior to the 308 if you want to stay 30cal witch with lead free ammo is a good idea I found the 30cal bullets work better in lead free

 

[Matt J]

I don’t know what’s better but I just put in for a variation to remove .308 and acquire 6.5 Creedmore

 

[eldon]

I have both a 308 and a Creed.
The 308 is a Remy vs with a pm2 and T8 so is inevitably quite heavy, ideal for any range multi shooting or bipod use.
The Creed is a Tikka lite. With no bipod or clutter and running a lightweight Schmidt and DPT mod; ideal for off-hand or stick shooting.
Both have their pros and cons but in my case are two intentionally different tools.

 

[TundB]

I would go for .308 if aimed for deer, Creedmore if for paper.

 

[cjm1066]

Go with your original decision, get the rifle and enjoy it, if it fits and you get on with it you will love the 6.5, if not a change will be needed.

You could worry that the 260 rem is better, or you need a 7-08. Actually a spare rifle is useful and cabinets are better full

 

[Mungo]

I would go for .308 if aimed for deer, Creedmore if for paper.

Gosh.

All those deer I’ve shot at with my Creedmoor must have coincidentally had a heart attack as I pulled the trigger.

It has its limitations (as any cartridge does), but under standard UK stalking conditions, you really don’t see any real difference between a CM and a .308. I had both for 5 years. I like them both. I would be entirely relaxed about being told I could only use one of them forever more.

 

[ChesterP]

I'd agree with that and use both for deer. Zero difference on end result = dead deer. If hill shooting I'd be tempted to use the 6.5 in preference to the 308, not due to any MV issue but due to the higher BC bullets having less wind drift. Over 100yds it's immaterial. At 300, it's not.

 

[Heym SR20]

Know this has been done to death .... I've been put in for a 6.5 creed on my grant application (11 months and counting, urgh) and heard all the pros, cons, etc. But I can't ignore the simple fact .308 is lower cost, more readily available, and up to 250 yards nothing really in accuracy. So tempted to make a change....

In my limited experience 6.5 creed is laser accurate, 308 has more bullet drop yet still very accurate, can anyone give any further constructive thoughts?

Thanks all

You have put in for a 6.5cm with your FAC grant. It’s taken 11 months so far. You really really don’t want to complicate things by putting in a variation now as it will another N+1 months to the whole process.

As others have said there is feck all difference in the real world. And ammo prices really are the cheapest part of deer stalking, although these days all ammo is getting very expensive. But centrefire rifles ammo has always been expensive.

If you want cheaper to run centrefire for plinking on gongs get a 223. If you really want to learn how to shoot and the effect of wind, distance and holdovers that’s the job of the 22rf - you did one for your initial application didn’t you?