6 years for possession of sawn off shotgun and cartridges.

[Heym SR20]

In this evening’s Edinburgh Evening News.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-crime-man-jailed-after-being-caught-with-sawn-off-shotgun-and-ammunition-at-flat-in-lochend-4207534

 

[Drum123]

I would say , given the involvement of organised crime and counter terrorism unit , that the sentence is pretty lenient, to put it mildly.

 

[markj1]

That's a substantial punishment... I'm guessing there's more to it, i.e. the offender isn't just a gun collector that had one shotgun too many, instead there was probably the intention of committing a serious crime with the firearm.

 

[Drum123]

That's a substantial punishment... I'm guessing there's more to it, i.e. the offender isn't just a gun collector that had one shotgun too many, instead there was probably the intention of committing a serious crime with the firearm.

It was a sawn off , he should've been given longer. He only had the gun for one reason, to commit violent crime or an act of terrorism.

 

[Tallguy]

Sentence justified in my opinion. Only one reason you have a sawn off and it isn’t game shooting.

 

[Stalker62]

Only one reason you have a sawn off and it isn’t game shooting.

Not quite a sawn-off, but is germane to the point you raise...

 

[Boosh]

More than likely a wrong un.
But.
If you ever did need something to defend yourself in your home against another wrong un with bad intentions?
Just recently was sent a real vid where a couple up in Scotland got ran through with a gang with machetes.
Sickening.
Bet they would risk having this about them.

 

[Stalker62]

In this evening’s Edinburgh Evening News.

The offence dates from November 2019 and sentence was only this month?

I wonder what the backstory is?

 

[Stalker62]

More than likely a wrong un.

He had a sworn-off shotgun in his flat - of course he was a 'wrong un'.

But.
If you ever did need something to defend yourself in your home against another wrong un with bad intentions?

Unlawful possession of firearms, and it seems to me you may be seeking to 'excuse it', on the basis that the offender moves in 'certain circles'.

Here is some other advice for him:-

 

[Bo Diddley]

Dumb drug dealer... most seem to be going down the route of being armed with "attack" trained bulldog/pitbull mash-ups, this chap was "Oldskool" having a shooter. What's it all come to

 

[bullet chucker]

Where did the weapon come from? Stolen? Turned up from a previous awful situation? What was it? S/S, Single Barrel, Auto,O/U, Is it traceable? 12b,20b.16b,410,?

BC.

 

[finnbear270]

It's OK BC, He kept a couple of spent cases.

 

[Liveonce]

Why do these cases take so long to come to court, November 2019 to July 2023 where has he been since in custody? or out potentially being a risk to the public.

had possession of the weapon and cartridges at a property in the Lochend area of the city on November 22, 2019

 

[Bo Diddley]

Why do these cases take so long to come to court,

It's the way this country works...very slowly in every department so it seems, I wonder when things will improve?

 

[Liveonce]

It's the way this country works...very slowly in every department so it seems, I wonder when things will improve?

Indeed, I guess Covid may have been a reason, but you think firearm related offences would take priority.

 

[Rasputin]

It was a sawn off , he should've been given longer. He only had the gun for one reason, to commit violent crime or an act of terrorism.

Exactly my thoughts. It’s not like he was holding granddads old pop gun as a keepsake.

Sometimes you really have to question our legal service it’s like those oiks who carry those machetes and such for obviously nefarious reasons.

 

[Eddie P]

Sentence justified in my opinion. Only one reason you have a sawn off and it isn’t game shooting.

Not always. I know of people with them legitimately.

But in in case, yes, nefarious reasons.

 

[merlin]

Not always. I know of people with them legitimately.

But in in case, yes, nefarious reasons.

Go on then, I'll bite....

What legitimate basis is there for possessing a sawn-off shotgun?


Genuine question.

 

[Stalker62]

What legitimate basis is there for possessing a sawn-off shotgun?

We used them in my old game with Hatton rounds, to blow a vehicle's tyres, after a "hard stop".

 

[merlin]

We used them in my old game with Hatton rounds, to blow a vehicle's tyres, after a "hard stop".

Granted - I've a friend in that world - but were they "possessed" by you, as opposed to you using them on a temporary basis for that operational requirement? (....and I appreciate I could be going through the looking-glass here, with definitions & interpretations galore.... but what the flip, I have a lengthy train commute to fill )

I acknowledge it was what I inferred, but the post leant towards individuals being in ongoing ownership for legitimate reasons. But, like the man in the orthopaedic shoes, I stand to be corrected.....