Shoot more Deer !

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Don’t Google “ Tits in the sink” from your work laptop or your HR department may be in touch with you

I just did and got this!!

Welcolme back Lee

 

[baguio]

You were allowed to stay local and go out in the outdoors for exercise, including a walk. If people decided that meant they weren't allowed to go stalking locally then more fool them, especially when people were out in the same fields walking dogs, riding bikes, playing with kids in the woods etc.

30mins exercise was the ruling. That’s a very quick stalk.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I just did and got this!!

Welcolme back Lee

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That’s brilliant

Good to be back

 

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That’s brilliant

Good to be back

Glad this site has again “one of the UKs leading deer shooting experts “

 

[Alastair Boston]

Other red meats get a huge amount of government promotion, funded by farmers paying a compulsory levy on every animal slaughtered.
Perhaps you're suggesting that stalkers should pay a levy on every animal they shoot?

I wonder if there any merit in adopting a similar scheme for deer ? If you could only buy your tags from one source who then used a percentage of the tag money for venison promotion,just like the meat and livestock commission do when any farm animals are taken for slaughter.As our current system isn't delivering for anyone. We need all to work together and find a solution,as all these venison issues are going to keep occurring.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I wonder if there any merit in adopting a similar scheme for deer ? If you could only buy your tags from one source who then used a percentage of the tag money for venison promotion,just like the meat and livestock commission do when any farm animals are taken for slaughter.As our current system isn't delivering for anyone. We need all to work together and find a solution,as all these venison issues are going to keep occurring.

The only way you are going to get rid of the quantities of venison that need to go is via export and Brexit buggered that up

 

[big ears]

I wonder if there any merit in adopting a similar scheme for deer ? If you could only buy your tags from one source who then used a percentage of the tag money for venison promotion,just like the meat and livestock commission do when any farm animals are taken for slaughter.As our current system isn't delivering for anyone. We need all to work together and find a solution,as all these venison issues are going to keep occurring.

But as VSS asks,”are you expecting stalkers to pay a levy on every animal they shoot?”

The tag system in America is very different and a way of allowing people to hunt for food. It is also relatively cheap for residents.

I can only see people selling the tags wanting to making a huge profit which will drive it out if the pockets of many stalkers

 

[Alastair Boston]

Isn't it strange I asked some direct questions on the 'webinar' that I would be assured would be answered by email from David Hooton and given many excuses by @Alastair Boston on Hootons behalf.
I think we have to assume it is dead in the water.

Sorry if you questions haven't been answered,I can only apologise. No excuses from me,as that's what I was told that all the answers were being collated and an email was going to be sent out to all those who took part in the webinar.

I will ask again tomorrow.

 

[Jagare]

If all you are shooting is one buck I give it two to three years and you will have a major problem which will be difficult to get back from,

Ì was asked if I wanted to be on the list for the big fallow buck. I turned down the offer as I have shot plenty of fallow in my life and there are others who will still get moist at the thought of shooting one.
The first thing I questioned was, why shoot it after the rut? The buck is likely to be well run and stink. Also why are we not culling does, fawns, and prickets on driven days. My mate said he would put this to the hunt leader.
There was a article in one of our leading hunting mags that showed the decline and increase in hunted game in Sweden. The two species that have had a dramatic increase in recent years are fallow and red deer. Wild Boar have been decreasing in the last few years.

 

[VSS]

I wonder if there any merit in adopting a similar scheme for deer ? If you could only buy your tags from one source who then used a percentage of the tag money for venison promotion,just like the meat and livestock commission do when any farm animals are taken for slaughter.As our current system isn't delivering for anyone. We need all to work together and find a solution,as all these venison issues are going to keep occurring.

A small levy on every carcass submitted to an AGHE would do it. That would pretty much mirror the situation in the livestock sector.

 

[Alastair Boston]

But as VSS asks,”are you expecting stalkers to pay a levy on every animal they shoot?”

The tag system in America is very different and a way of allowing people to hunt for food. It is also relatively cheap for residents.

I can only see people selling the tags wanting to making a huge profit which will drive it out if the pockets of many stalkers

You buy your tags annually and a percentage of the money for each tag goes towards venison marketing.Yes,the European market in't too good currently,but that does not stop us on working together to try and improve our internal market.As surely we all agree what we have currently isn't working and we need to find a solution,as with each passing year the challenge will only increase.Please note this is my own personal idea not the FC !

 

[Alastair Boston]

A small levy on every carcass submitted to an AGHE would do it. That would pretty much mirror the situation in the livestock sector.

That what I am thinking, as we need to try and do something !

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

You buy your tags annually and a percentage of the money for each tag goes towards venison marketing.Yes,the European market in't too good currently,but that does not stop us on working together to try and improve our internal market.As surely we all agree what we have currently isn't working and we need to find a solution,as with each passing year the challenge will only increase.Please note this is my own personal idea not the FC !

Do you honestly think people will pay?

Those stalkers that are already using dealers, regularly are already puttering and have done for years at the price that they receiving!

You can advertise venison as much as you like, it will not increase the amount of carcasses, or should I say tonnage we as a collective industry need to get rid of not for as long as you’ve got a hole in your backside.

As negative as that sounds, that is fact, you can do what you like to get venison into the supermarkets but they are run by profit and if they can get their venison a penny per kilo cheaper from New Zealand where do you think they are going to go?

That’s international markets and meat markets work, all on tonnage and pence per kilo

 

[big ears]

You buy your tags annually and a percentage of the money for each tag goes towards venison marketing.Yes,the European market in't too good currently,but that does not stop us on working together to try and improve our internal market.As surely we all agree what we have currently isn't working and we need to find a solution,as with each passing year the challenge will only increase.Please note this is my own personal idea not the FC !

Small flaw is that the internal market isn’t there and will never be large. Think many threads on here prove this. The majority of the population do not want to eat venison

 

[Alastair Boston]

Do you honestly think people will pay?

Those stalkers that are already using dealers, regularly are already puttering and have done for years at the price that they receiving!

You can advertise venison as much as you like, it will not increase the amount of carcasses, or should I say tonnage we as a collective industry need to get rid of not for as long as you’ve got a hole in your backside.

As negative as that sounds, that is fact, you can do what you like to get venison into the supermarkets but they are run by profit and if they can get their venison a penny per kilo cheaper from New Zealand where do you think they are going to go?

That’s international markets and meat markets work, all on tonnage and pence per kilo

It all depends how the tag system is set up,if the promotion money is included when you purchase your tags annually why not ? We can't compete with farming sector who slaughter nine million animals annually.We need to market our venison differently. As for pet food again we just don't provide enough numbers and the collection is an issue.I am not saying the idea of a new tag concept will work,but as a sector we need to try and find an idea/solution.

 

[VSS]

That what I am thinking, as we need to try and do something !

Drop the "tags" idea, though.
It would have to be a straightforward levy per carcass, collected by the AGHE through a small percentage deduction on what the consignor gets paid.

 

[tim@tcs]

Drop the "tags" idea, though.
It would have to be a straightforward levy per carcass, collected by the AGHE through a small percentage deduction on what the consignor gets paid.

We pay enough already in my opinion! If the government wants more killing then it needs to persuade land owners and make life a bit easier for stalkers. Some places in North America have community feed stations that take surplus deer and turn them into food for those unable to hunt or just too poor to afford it!
We could try that but the public perception of venison would require them to be fully processed into meals I suspect.

 

[Alastair Boston]

Drop the "tags" idea, though.
It would have to be a straightforward levy per carcass, collected by the AGHE through a small percentage deduction on what the consignor gets paid.

My ides is collecting the funding at the start when the stalkers purchase their tags.We need the AGHE's fully on board asking them to collect the marketing money and forward it on ,is more work for them,we need to make it easy for them.

 

[Alastair Boston]

We pay enough already in my opinion! If the government wants more killing then it needs to persuade land owners and make life a bit easier for stalkers. Some places in North America have community feed stations that take surplus deer and turn them into food for those unable to hunt or just too poor to afford it!
We could try that but the public perception of venison would require them to be fully processed into meals I suspect.

I like the idea of feed stations.