Shoot more Deer !

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I am seriously going to look into using my larder as a collection point for charitable collection of carcasses.

I I’ll report back on the situation

 

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6 cases of beer there, gifts and barter is the way to do business.

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I don’t see why stalkers should pay any more to sort out an environmental issue that is the country’s to bear and really not the fault of the average stalker on here. Professional stalkers have targets to meet, they don’t set the targets, it’s like blaming a car assembly worker because there are too many unsold cars!
Other synonyms are available!
The highways agency plants trees next to roads to screen the locals from the noise and that attracts deer and increases collisions!
The highway agency doesn’t pick up the tab for the damage!

all this re wilding going on and my local council put signs up on the dual carriageway creating wildlife areas kerbside to a major dual carriageway, its so they don’t have to mow it, nothing to do with wildlife at all, couldn’t have put a rodent corridor in a worst place, when you consider what feeds on them in the way of owls and hawks, cover for bigger wild , animals stepping straight out on the road, there is some right donks about, bloody dismal affair

 

[308tikka]

Im not sure tags are the way forward. People simply wont pay for the tag and will dispose through other means. Also unnecessary as AGHE will pass their costs on to either stalker or consumer or both.

What are the common problems across much of the country?
1/ muntjac financially worthless at dealer, but easiest for ‘one for the freezer’ mentality to deal with. Let more recreational stakers on for muntjac and cwd control. I know from one permission that when the local shoot left the ground the feeders went, and so did the easy reliable ambush. Numbers went up.
2/ fallow population out of control - needs coordinated effort on cull days to prevent pushing them nocturnal. Or night licences.
3/ reds generally need a few people to lift or winching gear and to paraphrase others ‘some people dont want the hard work’.
4/ you need access to a chiller to cull enough to make a difference.This is another area where landowners need to be involved with and take advantage of the grants.

Muntjac need to be shot on sight. If it becomes dogfood so be it.

Seen by some as pests or vermin, deer are going to be increasigly treated as such unless numbers go down to sustainable (landowners tolerance) levels. So if you are interested in the welfare of the herd, you should be pro hard culls with all options on table, especially closing woodland public access on designated days and extending legal shooting hours and seasons. Some still oppose this, expect the culls to happen anyway.

The days of ‘deer managers’ only turning up for roebucks and no doe culling during winter as too busy on bird shoots has /or should have ended. Landowners need to choose their deer managers carefully.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

i’m seriously going to do some legwork next week into this charitable donation business, I can’t bear the idea of a carcass going in a hole because it can’t be disposed of beer as food dogfood, even that’s hard work this neck of the woods, and the biggest problem will be red deer coming up for August on stags and into November on the hinds, so if I can do a little good and they’ll collect from me reasonably promptly and keeps my larder empty happy days

 

[devon deer stalker]

I do find this site entertaining with different peoples views.
But, come on, stalkers should be paying a levy to purchase tags?
Thats arse about tit, we should be getting paid a levy for rolling out in all weathers and time of the day, covering our overheads, fuel, bullets, equipment, insurance, the list goes on.
It's the game dealers that are the only ones making money, they should be paying to promote the venison market, we would just be lining their pockets.
I don't know what the solution is, but at the end of the day, people do NOT like venison, no matter how it's marketed, it's either the thought of a beautiful animal being killed, or for the most part, they do not like the actual taste no matter how it is dressed up!
The amount of times I have given away prime cuts for free in the hope they come back for more, just doesn't happen.
Turn it into sausages or burgers, it's a small victory, but a lot of additional time involved.
For the first time in over 30 years a farmer wanted to pay me to shoot his deer this year.

The American model of selling tags cannot be associated with what we have, their model relates to subsistence hunting to put food on the table, and this is mainly done on PUBLIC land of which we have none, oh wait, yes we do, Forestry England has it.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

I do find this site entertaining with different peoples views.
But, come on, stalkers should be paying a levy to purchase tags?
Thats arse about tit, we should be getting paid a levy for rolling out in all weathers and time of the day, covering our overheads, fuel, bullets, equipment, insurance, the list goes on.
It's the game dealers that are the only ones making money, they should be paying to promote the venison market, we would just be lining their pockets.
I don't know what the solution is, but at the end of the day, people do NOT like venison, no matter how it's marketed, it's either the thought of a beautiful animal being killed, or for the most part, they do not like the actual taste no matter how it is dressed up!
The amount of times I have given away prime cuts for free in the hope they come back for more, just doesn't happen.
Turn it into sausages or burgers, it's a small victory, but a lot of additional time involved.
For the first time in over 30 years a farmer wanted to pay me to shoot his deer this year.

The American model of selling tags cannot be associated with what we have, their model relates to subsistence hunting to put food on the table, and this is mainly done on PUBLIC land of which we have none, oh wait, yes we do, Forestry England has it.

Now that is a very polite way of saying what I’m thinking an extremely plain English of which you know Richard, I am fairly fluent

 

[Kalahari]

I think that in America it is illegal to sell the venison you hunt on your tag. Our problem is different. I don't think BDS want to get their hands dirty but maybe the BASC initiative could be combined with something with the NGO to do something. I also think that the competent stalker" or whtever they call it should be modified, if you have the old DSC1 with the game handling bit you should e allowed onto the list. There must be a lot of retired old f**ts like me who could be safely placed in high seats for larger scale deer controlling.

David

 

[Sol]

I dont think a documentation service that tags allow is a bad idea but paying for tags too shoot deer isn't something I ever see coming to the UK

An optional encouraged documentation service of harvests wouldn't be bad but with it being optional how many would actually participate?

 

[big ears]

I think that in America it is illegal to sell the venison you hunt on your tag. Our problem is different. I don't think BDS want to get their hands dirty but maybe the BASC initiative could be combined with something with the NGO to do something. I also think that the competent stalker" or whtever they call it should be modified, if you have the old DSC1 with the game handling bit you should e allowed onto the list. There must be a lot of retired old f**ts like me who could be safely placed in high seats for larger scale deer controlling.

David

which BASC initiative are you talking about? There are quite a few.

 

[David Barker]

I wonder if there any merit in adopting a similar scheme for deer ? If you could only buy your tags from one source who then used a percentage of the tag money for venison promotion,just like the meat and livestock commission do when any farm animals are taken for slaughter.As our current system isn't delivering for anyone. We need all to work together and find a solution,as all these venison issues are going to keep occurring.

Like the Vension Partnership in scotland. They were given a large chunk of money for advertising the product and no one knows were these adverts or promotion are.

 

[HonestJohn]

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The only way you are going to get rid of the quantities of venison that need to go is via export and Brexit buggered that up

BLAME BREXIT

 

[Kalahari]

which BASC initiative are you talking about? There are quite a few.

Register of competent deer stalkers.

David.

 

[VSS]

Like the Vension Partnership in scotland. They were given a large chunk of money for advertising the product and no one knows were these adverts or promotion are.

I think we should forget about forming any new groups, partnerships or organisations for the purpose of promoting venison (for exactly the reason you highlight, and the fact that such groups seem to be steered by large companies with a vested interest in promoting themselves above all others, such as Highland Game).

If, as an industry, we could devise a levy scheme, then the same levy bodies that are already delivering on red meat promotion should take it on. ie, AHDB, HCC, QMS.

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

Before brexit there were artic fridge trailers stacked up in the game dealers and the price was healthy.

 

[shakey jake]

Before brexit there were artic fridge trailers stacked up in the game dealers and the price was healthy.

but we had red passports!!! come on see the positives

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

but we had red passports!!! come on see the positives

I speak as I see it, before artics in the GD and healthy price, now no trailers and not so health price!

There are no positives in my opinion the news tells you that.

Writings on the wall that it was a crock of crap

 

[David Barker]

I think we should forget about forming any new groups, partnerships or organisations for the purpose of promoting venison (for exactly the reason you highlight, and the fact that such groups seem to be steered by large companies with a vested interest in promoting themselves above all others, such as Highland Game).

If, as an industry, we could devise a levy scheme, then the same levy bodies that are already delivering on red meat promotion should take it on. ie, AHDB, HCC, QMS.

I would like to see a levy put on game dealers at the exit point (Packaged meat and exported carcases). So if we were to charge the game dealers £0.20p per kilo tax with money going straight in to independent promotion and building infrastructure you would see an overall improvement. Highland game alone shift 3500000 kilo so the return would certainly be enough for what we need and they could claim it back through the government hide cash scheme.

 

[big ears]

Register of competent deer stalkers.

David.

You mean the one where you register and they point permissions your way?

 

[308tikka]

You mean the one where you register and they point permissions your way?

Has ANYONE ever had a permission pushed their way via BASC or the Deer Initiative etc? Please do enlighten…

Or more likely have they had a nice permission which had been working fine suddenly taken off them due to arseholes talking absolute sh1te to a range of non-governmental orgs in receipt of grants ?

I wouldnt **** on BASC if it was on fire after the lead/non-lead debacle and quite a few of the other organisations are no better.

 

[big ears]

Has ANYONE ever had a permission pushed their way via BASC or the Deer Initiative etc? Please do enlighten…

Or more likely have they had a nice permission which had been working fine suddenly taken off them due to arseholes talking absolute sh1te to a range of non-governmental orgs in receipt of grants ?

I wouldnt **** on BASC if it was on fire after the lead/non-lead debacle and quite a few of the other organisations are no better.

I think many in here would share your concerns.
Think the odds of a permission were calculated as 150,000:1 on previous thread.

I viewed it as a marketing hike to attract new members. Nothing wrong in that everyone does it.

As to the DI I would never trust anything anyone ever associated with the DI says, ever.

Just my opinion.