Yes. It may be contrary to our best instincts but there will be less harm.And leave it to die over a longer period…yeah.
SGA campaign for female deer season succeeds.
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Just so I can understand your point. How long is a long period in your mind?And leave it to die over a longer period…yeah.
I can’t put a time on it, but within minutes. A bit of digging, 5. Being the time a slaughterhouse is recommended to leave a foetus in the uterus before activities such as foetal blood collection. They can survive longer, but shot deer usually have massive blood loss so this is unlikely.
palmer_mike
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Thank you for the reply.
Moray Outfitting
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I've said this before. Why not get England to come round to our seasons? In my opinion , the season is extended in England because during the Pheasant season they do not get allowed on ground. Incase it frightens the pheasants. Then all of a sudden all these deer are killed after the season is finished and they need the extension to catch up. To be quite honest with you, up in the highlands we would be killing deer that the gamedealers wouldn't take. Out of condition after the winter. Then is it a killing for killing sake. Listen guys if you want to kill deer that way, Become a deer contractor. We are fighting to keep deer on the land. If things go the way of the "green, rewilding" folk, they will have all the deer gone. They eat trees, they fart, their foot print releases carbon?? As for the farting bit, some folk might be getting worried!!! J
Anything longer than I am capable of carrying out the task in Pete.
I.e.- if I gralloch a hind or doe and the foetus in moving, in my mind - why leave it to die any longer?
How they can measure the level of distress I am not sure.
Male deer all year round, you mean? Well yes, that would be a start, I suppose.....
Moray Outfitting
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That's a very valid argument in favour of keeping the season for females as it is, so why wasn't that the argument used by SGA to headline their campaign, instead of putting out false information?
palmer_mike
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If we wait a few minutes to ensure a shot hind/doe has expired after the shot (in line with best practice) I struggle to see how a fetus would still be alive?
Are folks over thinking this?
Talk of killing foetus once removed etc
The vet on here say just gralloch as normal....is the least distressing / most humane method?
I'll listen to a vet me thinks
And if it does distress you ...stop shooting females when at that stage .... no ones forcing anybody to shoot a beast
Paul
Talk of killing foetus once removed etc
The vet on here say just gralloch as normal....is the least distressing / most humane method?
I'll listen to a vet me thinks
And if it does distress you ...stop shooting females when at that stage .... no ones forcing anybody to shoot a beast
Paul
You may struggle, but I’m telling you that’s just not the case in some I have shot.
Regards,
Gixer
No one’s saying they’re being forced Paul but many land managers/owners will put pressure on people to keep shooting females as late into the season as possible.Are folks over thinking this?
Talk of killing foetus once removed etc
The vet on here say just gralloch as normal....is the least distressing / most humane method?
I'll listen to a vet me thinks
And if it does distress you ...stop shooting females when at that stage .... no ones forcing anybody to shoot a beast
Paul
I think there is a tendency to lose sight of the reality that this concern relates to many Employees as distinct from the 'hobby' deerstalker, however professional and hard-working the latter may be.
We are therefore in the territory of Employee Rights as pertain to working conditions and mental well-being. Adopting a dismissive approach to the latter as an Employer in the 21st-Century risks a world of pain.
K
We are therefore in the territory of Employee Rights as pertain to working conditions and mental well-being. Adopting a dismissive approach to the latter as an Employer in the 21st-Century risks a world of pain.
K
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palmer_mike
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How long roughly would you say between shooting the beast and gralloch?
That’s a “how long is a piece of string” type question Mike, they really do differ. If I see a beasts reaction is drop on spot, a few kicks and then no movement I may go to it a little sooner, especially if trying to get to others that day, if it’s a run and then drop I may leave it a little longer.
gelert
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How about after being hit by a vehicle? Dead doe's fawn saved by roadside Caesarean in Cromer
As I professional I struggle to see how anyone who kills enough deer to make a living can be successful without being hardened to the reality of nature. It’s a hard life, and not many professional deer managers, contractors or gamekeepers are soft enough to be mentally disturbed by having to remove an unborn foetus . Plenty of amateur stalkers are but that’s because they do little enough that they can maintain their romanticised opinions of deer management, and they needn’t worry, as no one is forcing them to shoot deer when they don’t want to. To me the way I conduct myself comes down to whether my actions cause unnecessary suffering. I can’t see how shooting a pregnant hind causes any more suffering than shooting the hind with calf at foot the following winter, if anything the calf is more sentient than a feotus, and so the suffering is increased.
I wonder how dead the doe really was
Well there's weird for you. There are cases of animals and humans being retrieved alive, and I suspect the timing was perfect for survival in this case. I'm with VSS though, was she dead, or just knackered from trying to give birth?
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