Recoil Management

[Tim.243]

Fair enough Tim, but i wasnt having a swipe at all mate, and it was restricted to you and not your family. People in glasses houses and all that but lets politely agree to disagree.

I never said you was but passing on advice on how people should be on a forum is the job for admin if it breaches the site rules
Given your behaviour its probably best you keep to yourself to avoid offending people face to face.
Keep that one in bold for staff meetings

 

[Mike1979]

I never said you was but passing on advice on how people should be on a forum is the job for admin if it breaches the site rules
Given your behaviour its probably best you keep to yourself to avoid offending people face to face.
Keep that one in bold for staff meetings

I dont think its unreasonable to make a comment on behaviour on an open forum Tim. Much the same way as I take abuse (justified) for owning a creed....Polite disagreement is fine so frankly if you dont like what I say then ...chuff off

For clarity the above comment has no ill will intended at all...just my sense of humor. Comments relating to Tim.243 will now be kept to myself

 

[PEA]

Well that escalated quickly

 

[timbrayford]

Back stops yes, the rest just I don't buy into as the well practiced range/stalker shot will miss by the very nature of shooting as that is part of it.
The facts are you will miss no matter how much you practice, I set my .270 up the other day in gusting 20mph wind at 70 yds after a few shots it was 2 in the bull.
Set it up on a still day and how do you deal with a 20mph

Too much thinking just go shoot

I'd rather practice and give the missing bit a miss!

 

[Scipio]

Well that escalated quickly

Yep, but fortunately it also now seems to have been handled.

So let's get back to discussing, and helping each other deal with, what is probably a relevant issue for many hunters. Especially those without mods andwith very light rifles in decent cartridge sizes, i imagine.

 

[Tim.243]

I'd rather practice and give the missing bit a miss!

What happens when you do miss a deer? How do you address what you did wrong as it has run off!

 

[Mike1979]

Its a funny one with rifle choice and I appreciate I am far from normal. Im a skinny sod but I cant get on with light rifles so have heavy old rifles and am resigned to lugging them around. Just to top it off one is a 6.5 creed...heavy and light recoiling but accurate...and I practice a lot with it as well.

I envy those who take the minimal amount of kit ..each to their own

 

[Scipio]

I'd rather practice and give the missing bit a miss!

How to best practice is also often an issue in elite sports, and there still isnt any fully clear consensus i think.

Personally i think the student(s) of a given skill or skill set is normally best benefitted from starting in a difficulty and complexity wise less difficult and simplified enviroment vs what is the end goal of the learning process.
An enviroment where it is possible to, with less stress and things to keep an eye on, focus on the different parts of the skill one is trying to learn, and to then build those up with an eye for detail and quality.
As one gets better, more and more elements of the complete movement/skill should get added and the difficulty level and complexity level should get raised too. This should be done untill you're faced with executing the complete skill in it's real intended target enviroment. Or as close as it is possible to get in your training enviroment.
At that point it's time to hit reality, which is, in a way, the ulimate and last part of the training, ie. using the desired skill set in its full and desired target enviroment. Because doing that, once you're ready, is of course what is going to see you take that last step, (inside the given limitations of your talent base, physical condition, time spent, quality of instruction given etc), and become a strong(er) performer of your skill in its real life intended circumstance.

So one needs the other imo if excellence is to be achieved, and training (well) and building skill sets in a controlled enviroment and becoming good at it in reality, are not enemies, but allies.

And besides the skill set building aspects of good training, there are social ones too. Training with good instructors or friends can often be good fun, and lead to new information or possibilities coming your way.

But each to their own of course! - we're all different, and good luck for that! I mean just look at @Mike1979 , he owns a creedmore, and with it probably more beard and hair grooming products than the entire 270 shooting population of GB put together!! - and we dont pull his leg over that, do we ? (just kidding Mike, some banter to the right person is fine indeed for me )
But joking aside, a lot of this comes down to subjective preferences, or difference in the knowledge base from which ones povs are shaped. That is fine, in fact it is interesting, and part of why many of us are on a board such as this, i assume. The important bit is just discussing our opinions civily, and hopefully making each other cleverer, smarter and better for it in the process. Oh and maybe have a laugh as well, from time to time. ,)

 

[Scipio]

What happens when you do miss a deer? How do you address what you did wrong as it has run off!

A very very good question, but perhaps one for it's own thread? Unless of course you mean if it ran off because of ones lack of ability to control recoil well, and missing the shot, and how one can work on that

 

[Reloader708]

A very very good question, but perhaps one for it's own thread? Unless of course you mean if it ran off because of ones lack of ability to control recoil well, and missing the shot, and how one can work on that

Perhaps this is where some practice is beneficial... for that recoil management.
70yds

 

[Scipio]

Its a funny one with rifle choice and I appreciate I am far from normal. Im a skinny sod but I cant get on with light rifles so have heavy old rifles and am resigned to lugging them around. Just to top it off one is a 6.5 creed...heavy and light recoiling but accurate...and I practice a lot with it as well.

I envy those who take the minimal amount of kit ..each to their own

exactly - however sometimes those preferences are tied to not just preferences but also knowledge of techniques for example. This is why threads like these are cool, as they can maybe help open new horizons for some, and just provide inspiration for us all to learn to become better at a given subject.

I too am a rather small and skinny dude btw, but i quite like smaller and lighter rifles for their pointability. Now I hadnt shot my Stutzen for a while, and going to do range to do so was a very humbling reminder of that i need to retrain my shooting technique with it, cue this thread being a god send. Maybe, using especially some of advice from dessert dog outdoors video posted earlier on this thread, you too can become friends with lighter and more recoiling rifles?

 

[Mike1979]

But each to their own of course! - we're all different, and good luck for that! I mean just look at @Mike1979 , he owns a creedmore, and with it probably more beard and hair grooming products than the entire 270 shooting population of GB put together!! - and we dont pull his leg over that, do we ? (just kidding Mike, some banter to the right person is fine indeed for me )

awesome and very true ... I take the trailer of manscaping products with me when I go stalking just to look my best.

I agree that there is no substitute for being out and shooting a piece of paper or a reactive target is not the same as a live animal. However, confidence in your kit and ability to shoot to an acceptable degree is a bloody good start especially as you start to push the ranges.

 

[Mike1979]

exactly - however sometimes those preferences are tied to not just preferences but also knowledge of techniques for example. This is why threads like these are cool, as they can maybe help open new horizons for some, and just provide inspiration for us all to learn to become better at a given subject.

I too am a rather small and skinny dude btw, but i quite like smaller and lighter rifles for their pointability. Now I hadnt shot my Stutzen for a while, and going to do range to do so was a very humbling reminder of that i need to retrain my shooting technique with it, cue this thread being a god send. Maybe, using especially some of advice from dessert dog outdoors video posted earlier on this thread, you too can become friends with lighter and more recoiling rifles?

I spent to much on my Creed to ever change it so will grin and bear it ....if I sell it I will have to admit how ugly I am as there will be no need for beauty products .... maybe I would be better with an unmoderated .270

 

[Scipio]

Perhaps this is where some practice is beneficial... for that recoil management.
70yds

Hello mate .-) Well yes, i would tend to agree with that indeed.


Regarding the banter i do enjoy it myself, .-) But let's plz just try and mainly use it towards other board members we know do the same.

 

[Mike1979]

Hello mate .-) Well yes, i would tend to agree with that indeed.


Regarding the banter i do enjoy it myself, .-) But let's plz just try and mainly use it towards other board members we know do the same.

I need to go and reapply my manscara as the abuse has meant I cried a bit...back shortly looking manbun tastic

 

[Scipio]

I spent to much on my Creed to ever change it so will grin and bear it ....if I sell it I will have to admit how ugly I am as there will be no need for beauty products .... maybe I would be better with an unmoderated .270

for sure that latter option would make you an instantly better shot and hunter! - in fact the big red bucks would, at the very sight of your mighty unmoderated 270 and the smell of your unkept beard and hair, simply give up, admit their defeat, and walk out of the forrest and lie down in front of you dead. No need to even fire that thing, - recoil issue solved!! Those (unmoded) 270 lads really are geniuses

 

[Scipio]

awesome and very true ... I take the trailer of manscaping products with me when I go stalking just to look my best.

I agree that there is no substitute for being out and shooting a piece of paper or a reactive target is not the same as a live animal. However, confidence in your kit and ability to shoot to an acceptable degree is a bloody good start especially as you start to push the ranges.

I agree fully mate

 

[Mike1979]

for sure that latter option would make you an instantly better shot and hunter! - in fact the big red bucks would, at the very sight of your mighty unmoderated 270 and the smell of your unkept beard and hair, simply give up, admit their defeat, and walk out of the forrest and lie down in front of you dead. No need to even fire that thing, - recoil issue solved!! Those 270 lads really are geniuses

Not how I see it personally. The site of me in a pink dress, blonde wig and makeup kills the deer through sheer laughter...no carcass damage ..sorted.

With the .270 side unfortunately I dont think the world is flat so that excludes me from owning one (to be fair I did have a .270 but dont tell anyone)

 

[Rutland lad]

I do a few range days over the ‘close’ season, but I still have that small bit of anxiety at the start of the season when I put the crosshairs on that first deer.

 

[Scipio]

Not how I see it personally. The site of me in a pink dress, blonde wig and makeup kills the deer through sheer laughter...no carcass damage ..sorted.

With the .270 side unfortunately I dont think the world is flat so that excludes me from owning one (to be fair I did have a .270 but dont tell anyone)

yes, but i hear all that hysterical deer laugther makes the meat go sour, - one more thing you CM boys hadnt thought about lol ,-)

And What do you mean the world isnt flat!? How else is the mighty 270 supposed to be able to use it's amazing never ending flat shootability to shoot deer from side of the earth to the other ?

nah, i joke, i have never had or even used a 270 personally, but the hunters i know who do, all love it! In fact a 270 or one of the 7x64 and 65R are probably cartridges that i'd like to try out in the future. Unmoderated, and carrying a wild looking beard that would make Zeus himself nod in approval
But If i do, i'd like it to be in a very light Kiplauff however, and in that case i'll probably need all the shooting and recoil control techniques mentioned in this thread.