nuttyspaniel
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Brian hold your head high mate. If you want Ill come out for a walk 1 night.
Nutty
dont ask someone if they have permission
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Brian hold your head high mate. If you want Ill come out for a walk 1 night.
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Steyer 6.5
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Ss I'm sorry to hear of the incident and looking for cases is a good idea. Don't give up take up the offer of the chap local and at least you got a second witness. It's a shame I don't live your way I'd bring my dog and id like to see him punch you or me me then.
i caught too lads lamping last night the farmer wasn't interested in the trespass offence and couldn't find anything dead although there was blood on the lurchers. These two characters had travelled from Liverpool to near Birmingham to do it. From investigation after confirming who they were. it seems they been doing it for last two months every weekend. Got no evidence of any poaching, deer act or other like offences so there's nothing I can do at the mo. I'll be speaking to WLO this week to see if there is anything he might be able use.
i caught too lads lamping last night the farmer wasn't interested in the trespass offence and couldn't find anything dead although there was blood on the lurchers. These two characters had travelled from Liverpool to near Birmingham to do it. From investigation after confirming who they were. it seems they been doing it for last two months every weekend. Got no evidence of any poaching, deer act or other like offences so there's nothing I can do at the mo. I'll be speaking to WLO this week to see if there is anything he might be able use.
Scots_stalker
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how serious is it to be on ground without permission ?
Si
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It's very difficult to convict poachers, my Father-in-law (technical support unit) worked with wildlife officers installing cameras in problem areas to collect evidence of badger digging and the occasional poaching problem. Not many farmers are willing to give evidence, it's not worth getting the barn burnt down.
varmint223
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Don't give up Brian ,I am not far from you either and could take a walk with you and the dogs if you ever feel like it.....but i am usually only able to go out at weekends as i work nights during the week.....don't let them ruin your sport
Steyer 6.5
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Trespass is civil not criminal. But landowners can't be arsed with the hassle.
Wrens Mews
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It is with a firearm (although I am not sure about Scotland) there will also be numerous other offences that a decent cop will dig out - my advice would be to speak to the local wildlife crimes officer and make sure he is aware of the incident and where it took place.
Let other shooters know locally and everyone can keep an eye out for them.
In this instance, the trespass will be second to the assault anyway, also you will have:
Section 18 of the 1968 Act provides: "(1) It is an offence for a person to have with him a firearm or imitation firearm with intent to commit an indictable offence.
Section 18(1) of the Firearms Act 1968 was intended to be wide enough to embrace those who set out to commit an indictable offence while intentionally carrying a firearm, whether or not there was intent to use the weapon in the crime
pitiliedon
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Sorry for your experience, but good to post it for others to learn.
No matter what you feel like doing , never confront any poachers, life is too short and precious. The best way to protect against this kind of problem is to have good nieghbours all round your permission, know the people on the ground make plenty of friends so that if something is going on you can phone for others to keep an eye out for vehicles and individuals on the access routes to and from the ground. Even better they may alert you to there being people out in the first place. Phone the police and have them deal with it. Unfortunately it is not easy to catch poachers with enough evidence to get much of a result and you never know who you are dealing with, but if an area is being watched as i suggest it is less likely to recieve the poachers attention.
Another route which i dont reccomend is a brace of "trained" rotwiellers but as i said you never know who you are dealing with and you might need two brace of dogs left to look after the family while you are out patrolling, and you will lose dogs.
No matter what you feel like doing , never confront any poachers, life is too short and precious. The best way to protect against this kind of problem is to have good nieghbours all round your permission, know the people on the ground make plenty of friends so that if something is going on you can phone for others to keep an eye out for vehicles and individuals on the access routes to and from the ground. Even better they may alert you to there being people out in the first place. Phone the police and have them deal with it. Unfortunately it is not easy to catch poachers with enough evidence to get much of a result and you never know who you are dealing with, but if an area is being watched as i suggest it is less likely to recieve the poachers attention.
Another route which i dont reccomend is a brace of "trained" rotwiellers but as i said you never know who you are dealing with and you might need two brace of dogs left to look after the family while you are out patrolling, and you will lose dogs.
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Wrens Mews
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I think you will find he was drawn to their presence by a shot which frightened him - therefore they were in possession of firearms! If you read section 18, the firearm does not need need to be used in the commission of the act, but carried is enough to complete the offence.
Uncle Buck
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+ 1 big dog.
Though I would doubt if you will meet them again, one would suspect them to give the area a wide berth
for a good while. May Lady luck shine on you Scots Stalker and you get another chance at these guys,
use the mobile.
Chin up Rgds, Buck.
Gazza
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Talking about giving up shooting because of this incident is crazy talk but a lesson to be learned for all. Approaching poachers is not advisable under any circumstance. Despite Police enquiry the chances of these guys being identified is very slim but even if they were do you think for one second they are going to admit poaching, possible illegal possession of firearms and assault? No chance. The reality is that you were in the right but if push came to shove their word against yours and being two of them they can make up what ever lies they may wish. That is the situation you place yourself in. Watch, note all info that you can, take pictures if possible but don't challenge. Now get back out there.
Hi Brian
I was bullied in school 3 years of hell thinking it was 'my fault' then one day I said no more
I did not take it from them and they picked on others
I still lose in a fight but inside I am strong
you are in right they are in the wrong get out and enjoy the world
they are not worth it
I was bullied in school 3 years of hell thinking it was 'my fault' then one day I said no more
I did not take it from them and they picked on others
I still lose in a fight but inside I am strong
you are in right they are in the wrong get out and enjoy the world
they are not worth it
Steyer 6.5
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Cross wires. I was on about my two.
Hornet
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Hi mate sorry to hear about your nasty experience, take a step back and think about all the pleasure/good times shooting has given you, packing up due to scum like these would be a great shame,it is highly unlikely that they will return, having assaulted you,they will be off to hassle someone else,however if you spot them again withdraw and phone the police at once,let them deal with them, hope you get over this incident quickly mate, and qet on with what you love doing, scum like that will always be the loosers in the end.
Getting punched by two blokes toting guns is nothin to feel humiliated about - there's nothing you could have done. Even if you'd been bruce lee there's nothing to stop them shooting you in a heated moment!
Don't let a couple of poaching scumbags ruin it for you mate, people like that always lose in the end.
As for never asking someone if they have permission - you did the right thing to ask, though sometimes if in doubt it pays simply to call the police then keep a safe distance and take as many photo's as possible. I get all sorts of d*ckheads on the golf courses I shoot!
Well done you for having the courage to challenge them, then pick yourself up and get yourself home after they assaulted you. All the best pal
Don't let a couple of poaching scumbags ruin it for you mate, people like that always lose in the end.
As for never asking someone if they have permission - you did the right thing to ask, though sometimes if in doubt it pays simply to call the police then keep a safe distance and take as many photo's as possible. I get all sorts of d*ckheads on the golf courses I shoot!
Well done you for having the courage to challenge them, then pick yourself up and get yourself home after they assaulted you. All the best pal
Scots_stalker
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do you think i was wrong in asking ???
jamross65
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Brian
On this occasion and with the benefit of hindsight, what do you think now? Would you do it again if faced with similar circumstances?
I came across something similar a few weeks ago, saw 3 guys aged 18-20ish with a lurcher walking across one of my fields when out cycling. Instant reaction was to confront them. I have no issue within reason in dealing with aggression or challenging folk like this, but 3 of them? the thought of getting a kicking was not as much of a concern as them having the opportunity to go away and make up a story about me. thought better of it and phoned the polis'. I then found out who they were with a wee but of local digging...
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