Lead ban date announced
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Norfolk Deer Search
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@Heym SR20 I take it you didn’t like the facts that Avian Influenza is far more deadlier that lead on wild birds as you disappeared from the thread.
Heym SR20
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There are times when I really cannot be bothered to respond to all the leadites on here.@Heym SR20 I take it you didn’t like the facts that Avian Influenza is far more deadlier that lead on wild birds as you disappeared from the thread.
Re Avian Influenza- I was simply asking the question as to why wild birds seem to be unable to cope with a viral pandemic. Usually nature quite quickly develops immunity to such things. I would suggest that all sorts of manmade activities have created pollution that has harmed natural immunity. Lead is just one constituent part of the pollution, along with plastics and many many other sources.
Up here there is very very noticeable reduction in sea birds such puffins, guillemots, gannets etc. Much is blamed on Avian Flu, but there has major pollution events where heavy metals deep in the mud of harbours has been released thanks to dredging activities. This has killed off a lot of crustaceans, but also do wonder what effect this has on the whole food chain. Salmon numbers in rivers like the Tweed have crashed.
We probably won’t know, because fundamentally very few are actually doing the research.
Admittedly all the pollution released from the muds will be from earlier in our industrial heritage, but should we continue just carrying on bad practice and leaving our environment for future generations in a far worse state, with little ability to even provide a basic level of food for our own population.
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Hayduke
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Yep, 80gr CX has yet to let me down. Perhaps doesn’t do DRT quite as well as lead, but no horror stories.
Nickb
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Rainbow coloured hair , face shrapnel and dirty unwashedNo need to ask, you can usually id a leftie a mile off
Norfolk Deer Search
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You have absolutely no idea how devastating AI is!
All the dead birds you have mentioned will be AI
As I said AI has the abilities to mutate and KILL EVERY wild bird in the UK, lead Cant do that , because if it could they would all be dead by now!
Norfolk Deer Search
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Honestly speaking of mud, you keep dragging through it, looking for a defence of you opinions!
You now mentioning the industrial age, that was WELL over 100 years ago
Still no proven mortality’s through lead consumption, keep digging at this rate you’ll be in OZ
Heym SR20
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You are welcome to take the view of no mortality due to lead.Honestly speaking of mud, you keep dragging through it, looking for a defence of you opinions!
You now mentioning the industrial age, that was WELL over 100 years ago
Still no proven mortality’s through lead consumption, keep digging at this rate you’ll be in OZ
Likewise those of us who understand the science are perfectly free to accept the opinion of the likes of the World Health Organisation that no level of lead consumption is safe.
But lots of food and drink contains lead, so very likely you are consuming it.
However it is one reason I never eat a clay pigeon but obviously the need to ban lead for clay shooting must be because many do eat them.
Norfolk Deer Search
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So let’s look at the bigger picture~
Lead is toxic that I agree with, never disputed it, as you well know I am a massive advocate of copper bullets, of which are also toxic, because copper is toxic.
Now where I find and axe to grind is~
No proven mortality due to lead consumption from shot game.(and I am talking about in the UK, as this seems to a UK only
problem.)
No proven and I mean cast iron facts that lead shot kills birds, considering like I’ve already stayed at that AI could completely wipe out every wild bird in this country.
Really all this is absolute bog wash and really the fact are being lean upon brain dead twots who really need to get a job and work for a living instead of thinking of brain dead idiotic ideas such as this.
Having once been involved in a study of environmental lead pollution (as a chemist), for me, as no doubt for many others, it's a case of "I know what s**t smells like without having to step in it first..."
It's all down to personal choice......you know the meat may be contaminated, so if it bothers you, don't eat it.....simples.
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It's all down to personal choice......you know the meat may be contaminated, so if it bothers you, don't eat it.....simples.
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Spear Chucker
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Just not sure that science and fact are "his thing".@Heym SR20 I take it you didn’t like the facts that Avian Influenza is far more deadlier that lead on wild birds as you disappeared from the thread.
HonestJohn
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The good news is the dates are published, so we can now just close the book and stop moaning about it, and move on
I still blame Brexit…
I still blame Brexit…
tackb
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The good news is the dates are published, so we can now just close the book and stop moaning about it, and move on
I still blame Brexit…
i stubbed my toe this morning getting ready for work
bloody brexit..........
Spear Chucker
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Why should we acquiesce? B****cks to that. That was the BASC plan all along. "Stick it up them, lie long and hard enough and they'll have to accept it".The good news is the dates are published, so we can now just close the book and stop moaning about it, and move on
I still blame Brexit…
I am stuffed if I am accepting it. You nod off in your armchair if you want. I will be on the wind for ever. Why? because the key fact that BASC and their Packham fan club friends have forgotten is respect for the quarry and animal welfare. Lead works.
Dunwaters
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Yeah, yeah, lead works, so does steel, copper and bismuth.
The UK is going further with the lead ban restrictions than the EU.
Your own government chose to do this.
What’s your view on the new dog travel restrictions and document?
Allegedly you could have aligned with the EU regulations and kept the pet passport, but decided to go your way.
Nice one.
Heym SR20
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And you can just add that it was the Tory Government that initiated all the lead ban and the investigations by HSE etc into whether the continued use of lead was in proportion to the harm that it causes to human, animal and bird health and the much wider environment.
They concluded that there were other perfectly viable alternatives that are much less harmful. They also concluded that a pretty much total ban on the sale of lead based ammunition was necessary as there was plenty of evidence that the partial ban on lead for shooting wild fowl was not being adhered to.
Should we have pokicy set according to "suggestion" now?
A fact totally unrelated to overfishing, no douvt.
So, apart from a deranged ban on lead ammunition which will do nothing significant to improve matters, what do you suggest?
Shutting down what little heavy industry survives in a highly regulated country in favour of more environmentally damaging abroad?
Stopping the use of plastic, therehy massively increasing the levels of food waste and greater pollution caused by the production of alternative packaging materials?
Deporting half the population to achieve a sustainable level which we cam provide basic levels of food for?
All.of this is just noise used to attack activists' pet hates unless people are prepared to very radically reduce the quality and quantity of life in our urban areas. Good luck finding many votes for that.
yep and every day many motorists break speed limits so by that logic the government should ban all vehicles they also kill far more people and likely road kill animals than the waste lead in the environment.
Poor excuse to punish the many who abide by the law, is it not and a dangerous path to go down for a government, what’s next all single use plastic.
The reason we have laws is to punish the naughty not persecute the innocent.
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