6.5 Swede vs Creed?
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ShootyBang
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It's a good club that needs the patronage. Well done for doing your part!
A few too many wines after being very fortunate to attend lunch today at the SF club in Knightsbridge can take the blame for that one!
I love mine, but it’s a marked step up.
The better comparison to a 6.5PRC is something like a .270
@theroedeerguy
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What advantages would a 6.5PRC offer in the UK deer stalking environment in comparison to a .270?
I like the idea of a 6.5PRC but am very happy with my .270.
Better selection of bullets.
At the moment, the major difference is the selection of bullets available. There is a huge range of 6.5 bullets, spanning the weight and quality spectrum. .270 bullets are pretty restricted.
I also think there are some ballistic differences, though they’re probably small enough as makes little real world difference. You get a bit more terminal energy, and a bit less wind drift. There’s also noticeably less recoil.
However, if you have a .270, there’s no reason other than curiosity to change.
We need to look at the proffered bullet to be used when making the choice of which 6.5mm !
The creed was built to handle the modern long higher BC bullets but do so in a medium ( ie 308 class) action . In Target shooting events like PRS , yet it was fast to make big sales to hunters . Previous to the creed these guys would shoot 260 rem . This limits out a medium action with 120 copper and seating deeper has a big effect on case capacity .
A Sweed ? Uses a long action and traditionally the twist rates are a tad slow for longer bullets . That said many makers are offering fast and slow twist options in many of their rifles ( 223 being very much the prime example ). Personally as the sweed doesn't give much more if any than the two medium above .
Personally , i run a 1-7.5 twist 260 . 100 -140 lead bullets or 100-120 copper from a medium action Sako action . Anything with more weight or length behind it , would only increase recoil ( without killing any better or any Ballistic gains on quarry this side of 4-500 yards ) That's a max Range window i wont really ever increase because of time of flight issues and the fact as a hunter i dont get two free sighter shots , just one taken from the best position i can build !
Bigger , harder hitting cartridges only hold interest for me in the larger punch for larger or dangerous beasts than the UK deer .
6.5mm magnums dont interest , its just less barrel life and more recoil
The creed was built to handle the modern long higher BC bullets but do so in a medium ( ie 308 class) action . In Target shooting events like PRS , yet it was fast to make big sales to hunters . Previous to the creed these guys would shoot 260 rem . This limits out a medium action with 120 copper and seating deeper has a big effect on case capacity .
A Sweed ? Uses a long action and traditionally the twist rates are a tad slow for longer bullets . That said many makers are offering fast and slow twist options in many of their rifles ( 223 being very much the prime example ). Personally as the sweed doesn't give much more if any than the two medium above .
Personally , i run a 1-7.5 twist 260 . 100 -140 lead bullets or 100-120 copper from a medium action Sako action . Anything with more weight or length behind it , would only increase recoil ( without killing any better or any Ballistic gains on quarry this side of 4-500 yards ) That's a max Range window i wont really ever increase because of time of flight issues and the fact as a hunter i dont get two free sighter shots , just one taken from the best position i can build !
Bigger , harder hitting cartridges only hold interest for me in the larger punch for larger or dangerous beasts than the UK deer .
6.5mm magnums dont interest , its just less barrel life and more recoil
Because I am waiting for students to show up, and I have the code window open, I decided to do this for you. It shows the estimated terminal energy for 4 loads:
1. 270: Hornady Precision Hunter 145gr eldx (mv of 2970fps).
2. 270: Norma factory 130gr soft point (mv of 3140fps).
3. 6.5 Creedmoor: my home load 143gr eldx (mv of 2745fps).
4. 6.5 PRC: Hornady Match 147gr eldm (mv of 2910 fps).
@theroedeerguy
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Thanks for that information very helpful
Second @Mungo on this. From my limited experience, if you have a .270 and have no need to change then why?, however if you wanted a modern version of a .270 then the 6.5 PRC would probably be the way forward.
My load for Yewtree 114grain 6.5mm TLR (copper), 24” barrel, 1:8, Lapua brass, seated 0.050 off the lands.
Vit N165, 55.5 grains, 0.496 MOA, mean m/v 3226, SD 3. (Usual caveats apply)
No signs of pressure, have tried faster but no accuracy gain for the extra powder and barrel wear.
My load for Yewtree 114grain 6.5mm TLR (copper), 24” barrel, 1:8, Lapua brass, seated 0.050 off the lands.
Vit N165, 55.5 grains, 0.496 MOA, mean m/v 3226, SD 3. (Usual caveats apply)
No signs of pressure, have tried faster but no accuracy gain for the extra powder and barrel wear.
One of the things that really struck me when I started collecting the data on these was that there actually seems to be rather little difference between factory .270 and home loaded Creedmoor. I did not expect that.
It all goes to confirm my conviction that the differences between all the mainstream deer cartridges are so marginal that it really makes no difference which you pick.
tackb
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i've been saying this for ages , like for like there is no real difference in performance between mainstream deer calibres , as for the 'my 270 is laser flat' nonsense that really annoys me , you compare a 130g 308 load to a 130g 270 load and inside 300m tell me if the diffence would be a miss or wound ? if you zero at 200m you will be around 2" high at 100m and 9" low at 300m hence the old 2-0-9 saying , check out deer calibres and tell me if any of the usual suspects deviate from this far enough to wound on a chest shot inside 300m?
Rutland lad
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Ah yes. Blazing Saddles. Lilli von Sthupp
Which goes to show that when comparing the qualities of various calibre and bullet solutions
Continuously comparing them against the needs of an average stalker - where just about anything will do- is pretty pointless
The differences appear when applying them in the precision/ competition / ELR arenas
Continuously comparing them against the needs of an average stalker - where just about anything will do- is pretty pointless
The differences appear when applying them in the precision/ competition / ELR arenas
However, seeing as the vast majority of us are… average stalkers!
And almost all the discussions about cartridge choice are about stalking use, then it follows that it really doesn’t matter for most of us, most of the time.
tackb
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why i have two creedmoors , my match gun and my stalking gun
Indeed. I'm up to four now. Two AI's (AI-AT and ATX) for competitions, a Tikka CTR rebarreled in 6.5CM for hunting (previously was a .260), and a Savage Model 10 in 6.5CM (my first Creedmoor match rifle, back when there were no factory offered rifles).
It is a very versatile cartridge.
As the range increases lighter more frangible bullets will reliably still expand , where a heavy / tough bonded or copper mono bullet might not .
Just saying , it all comes down to knowing what happens to your ammo at various ranges
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