Changes really are coming in firearms licensing….
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badmolassesaccident
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The Home Office are not particularly gun friendly. But I'd like to see a different source for this information, than somebody who has had their certificate revoked by the police.
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badmolassesaccident
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This is the report from the consultation which happened some time back.
The HME in that gov.uk consulation, is not the 4500J HME at Bisley. It is the fallout from the previous attempt to ban .50BMG rifles. That's the kind of HME we are talking about. 13,600J at the muzzle
There may be a govt attempt to mandate additional levels of security for people (level 3) who own .50BMG rifles, or rifles with similar energy. We have to remember, we are all in this together, so a restrictions of owners of .50BMGs are not good for anyone, even if you don't and never plan to own a .50
But things are not as bad as Callum suggests. You will note that the consultation results are that almost everyone DID NOT think window bars or shutters were a good idea, or that having to store your HME rifle at a club were a good idea.
So my suggestion would be to oppose requirements for .50 owners to have different security than regular rifle owners.
The mini-rifle range rules seek to mandate FACs for operators of a mini-rifle range. Right now, you can set up a mini-rifle range and just go buy .22 rifles with no FAC. You do not need a FAC to own rifles for the purpose of operating a mini-rifle range. This lead to the situation of the mini-rifle range near the M25 motorway, where some dude with no FAC just opened one, attracted lots of gangsta customers who shot up everything and bullets were going in all directions, including outside the range, right over the M25 and over a nearby greasy spoon cafe. The operator was prosecuted for being in possession of firearms without a certificate... but got off because you don't need a certificate if you are a mini-rifle range operator.
I do not think Callum / English Shooting channel is a reliable source for opinion. He had his certificate revoked and forgot to mention it for a year and a half on his channel.
The HME in that gov.uk consulation, is not the 4500J HME at Bisley. It is the fallout from the previous attempt to ban .50BMG rifles. That's the kind of HME we are talking about. 13,600J at the muzzle
There may be a govt attempt to mandate additional levels of security for people (level 3) who own .50BMG rifles, or rifles with similar energy. We have to remember, we are all in this together, so a restrictions of owners of .50BMGs are not good for anyone, even if you don't and never plan to own a .50
But things are not as bad as Callum suggests. You will note that the consultation results are that almost everyone DID NOT think window bars or shutters were a good idea, or that having to store your HME rifle at a club were a good idea.
So my suggestion would be to oppose requirements for .50 owners to have different security than regular rifle owners.
The mini-rifle range rules seek to mandate FACs for operators of a mini-rifle range. Right now, you can set up a mini-rifle range and just go buy .22 rifles with no FAC. You do not need a FAC to own rifles for the purpose of operating a mini-rifle range. This lead to the situation of the mini-rifle range near the M25 motorway, where some dude with no FAC just opened one, attracted lots of gangsta customers who shot up everything and bullets were going in all directions, including outside the range, right over the M25 and over a nearby greasy spoon cafe. The operator was prosecuted for being in possession of firearms without a certificate... but got off because you don't need a certificate if you are a mini-rifle range operator.
I do not think Callum / English Shooting channel is a reliable source for opinion. He had his certificate revoked and forgot to mention it for a year and a half on his channel.
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This is the worse part...
No more stock piling reloading supplies
No more stock piling reloading supplies
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playing devil’s advocate, just because I have 10,000 bullets in store does not mean I have any intent to assemble more rounds than I have authorisation for. It just means that when I do come to assemble an authorised number of rounds that they will all be consistent.This is the worse part...
No more stock piling reloading supplies
Of course, the wording is vague, unclear and unhelpful and would need to be tested by the courts in order to determine whether there was intent or not. Bloody daft!
Foxyboy43
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Hmm. Couple of “takeaways” (Gawd don’t you just hate ‘merican corruption of plain english) for me.
1. 50 cal. additional restrictions will very soon be sub-50 cal restrictions so should be opposed by all fac holders - you have been told!
2. from memory “mini-rifle“ ranges pre-date firearms legislation and are from those far-off halcyon days when government thought it was a good idea to have the population versed in firearms handling/shooting etc. The reported fact that you can subvert the need for an fac for .22s by opening such an establishment is arrant nonsense but was probably introduced to encourage familiarity with firearms early last century. Open to correction by those better informed than me. No right thinking person would oppose the harmonisation of .22 licence requirements;
3. In my part of the UK it is pretty standard for experienced fac holders to have 1000 rounds per calibre held so the “bullet parts” aspect is not really an issue but it does seem concerning for the future.
1. 50 cal. additional restrictions will very soon be sub-50 cal restrictions so should be opposed by all fac holders - you have been told!
2. from memory “mini-rifle“ ranges pre-date firearms legislation and are from those far-off halcyon days when government thought it was a good idea to have the population versed in firearms handling/shooting etc. The reported fact that you can subvert the need for an fac for .22s by opening such an establishment is arrant nonsense but was probably introduced to encourage familiarity with firearms early last century. Open to correction by those better informed than me. No right thinking person would oppose the harmonisation of .22 licence requirements;
3. In my part of the UK it is pretty standard for experienced fac holders to have 1000 rounds per calibre held so the “bullet parts” aspect is not really an issue but it does seem concerning for the future.
This may have been covered elsewhere but is worth posting to ensure we are all aware. Depressing viewing.
I really wouldn’t listen to anything that YouTuber has to say. He lost his certificate allegedly due to police concerns about his obsession with using firearms for self defence and still spouts crap on the internet!
You missed the bit in yellow, they aren’t going after legitimate shooters with thisThis is the worse part...
No more stock piling reloading supplies
he’s a complete pretender!
You would think but I guess we shall see how the final version comes out next year. As they don't often get it right. With some hope, commom sense will prevale..
It’s daft really, they just need to make it an offence to be in possession of live primers or shooters powder without a relevant certificate.
He posted on the airgunBbs forum moaning about the reception he got at bisley when ‘double tapping’ targets. He didn’t like it when a few of us pointed out that by leaving a non FAC holding buddy he had with him alone in possession of firearms and ammunition while he went to the range office he was breaking the law.Looking through a few of his videos you can see he's into that sort of thing. Advising guys with usernames like "The Gangster "on how to obtain and FAC
He is certainly not someone who’s opinion should be given any stock
its already an offence to buy live primers from an RFD without a certificate (VCR bill), however like airguns it does not apply to person to person transactions.
And likewise keeping shooters powder is illegal unless licensed to acquire and keep or an exemption applies like having a firearms (section 1 or 2) certificate, but the law is within the HSE Explosive Regulations, if it is ever inforced and what the penalty would be is the question.
They are grasping at straws to try and stop the very, very few incidents of manufacture of illegal ammunition via obtaining components.
It is illegal to acquire powder is it illegal to be in possession though, I didn’t think it was below 10kg?
Aware of the law around primers, which was my point, possession isn’t illegal without a certificate, if it was there would be no need to control the other parts.
Unless you apply to the HSE for a licence to acquire and keep smokeless powder it is illegal to do so in any quantity, however their are exemptions (as below) for a quantity up to 15kg but that is total NEQ (net explosive quantity) so includes powder in loaded ammunition. Above 15kg a licence is required.
Up to 2,000kg a police licence is required (acting on behalf of the HSE) above 2,000kg HSE issue the licence.
Each police force has an Explosives Liaison officer, normally within the firearms licensing team, most likely also a FEO.
To comply with Heath and Safety Explosive Regulations 2014 (2014 No.1638) to acquire smokeless powder the person must be either:-
(1) hold a firearms certificate granted under section 27 of that Act; or
(2) hold a shotgun certificate granted under section 28 of that Act; or
(3) hold a permit granted under section 17 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 or
(4) registered as a firearms dealer under section 33 of the Firearms Act 1968
Black powder needs a licence to acquire and keep regardless, issued free to certificate holders.
You are correct no need to control the other parts, if the Explosive Regulations were properly applied, so just create another law on top of existing laws and been seen to be justifying their jobs with no additional benefits.
Lets see what they do to reduce knife crime, oh sorry much easier to look tough on crime by going for gun related crime as it makes for bigger headlines.
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