Combination Gun - have got it

Heym SR20

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Picked up my Heinrich Munch 16 Bore / 7x65R over an under combination gun last friday from Holts Auctioneers - I must admit I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again - very helpful and knowledgeable. They gave me a condition report which gave it as good condition, whereas actually it appears to be virtually unused, albeit stored for quite a while.

So for less than the cost of a sako, I have got myself a beautifully made weapon complete with a Zeiss 6x42 in a claw mount. The shotgun barrel has already accounted for half a dozen gray squirrels and a couple of pigeons. It also has very good open sights - like a big express rifle and you can just imagine a charging boar / buffalo etc.

I have secured some RWS 156 gn cone point ammo, and first impressions of the rifle barrel - given that I have only tested it on a 30 metre range - is that it will be pretty accurate and am expecting 1inch to 1.5inch group at 100 yds. It definately has a kick, but that is to be expected in a 7lb rifle shooting a 156gn bullet at 2800 fps - but the rifle barrel is less than the 16 bore kick and in the field it won't be an issue, particularly once I have shot it a bit - you always notice recoil more when you are shooting at targets. The stock does need lengthening a bit for me and will probably put on a good recoil pad - currently just has a wooden checkered butt.

It's a non ejector - but that I don't think will be a problem as the empty rifle cases simply fall out if you hold the barrels up, and you can reload a 2nd or third shot pretty quickly. OK not as quick as a bolt action, but just make sure first shot is good. It is also very quiet to load - non of the clatter of a bolt action. It will also be a very good travelling gun as it breaks down like a shot gun into a short case.

Now I just need to find the time to get out after some bucks!
 
Here some piccies - looking down the barrels over the open sights



The whole rifle



A close up of the action




So you can see why I am pretty pleased with it.
 
Heym SR20 said:
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Gun looks beautiful :-D

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Regards
Jonathan
 
Thanks for sorting out the piccies - just waht I wanted.

When stalking I expect I will just have the rifle barrel loaded as don't want to be distracted, but will have few No6's in my pocket for rabbits, pigeons etc. - on the bit of ground I shoot over there are plenty of these, but leaving a .22 or shotty in the car whilst stalking is a complete no no.

And on the hill if you had a very generous host you could imagine picking up brace of grouse whilst the gold medal Imperial stag is being brought off the hill on the pony, before ambling off to the river and landing a fresh 20lb salmon.
 
Heym,

Very nice piece of kit. I thought I will post pictures of my combination gun just to contrast your nice German work with typical mass produced modern Italian gun. :-D


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It is Fair Combi in .30-06 + 12/76, S&B 3-12x56 IR klassic scope, Leupold quick detach mounts.

Greg
 
Any chance of a closer look at the quick release mounts please ?
I haven't noticed mounts like this on the Leupold site, have you used some type of dovetail adaptor? I had been looking for some time for a similar type of mount for my Unifrance over/under but because of the high cost of most of the European quick release mounts have settled on a simpler solution from a British company.
 
8x57,


Sorry, no chance for new pictures at the moment. I am away for a month.

There is a dovetail on the gun. Mounts are basically one piece with rings and you do not need any adaptor/base. There is a quick release button on the side. You can take them off on a driven boar hunt at close range and put them on and off immediately if required.

It is something similar to this.

http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-...essories/mounting-systems/lx-mounting-system/


Greg
 
Greg - the Fair Combi looks a good piece of kit as well, and according to their website you have the ability to put on a pair of shotgun barrels as well. Something that you couldn't do with mine as the it is definately built as a combination gun with the action scaled accordingly and cut out for the bottom barrel is quite a bit smaller than 16 bore as for the top.

Re Scope Mounts - Claw mounts are eye wateringly expensive and require gunsmith fitting.

B-Square do make a universal rib mounted rail that clamps onto a shot gun rib that could then take a universal weaver type mount, which if fitted with levers is pretty quick to remove.

http://secure.armorholdings.com/b-square/uni_mounts.html

I am not sure how aesthetically pleasing it would be though - OK for a Benelli Pump action !

An alternative would be to have a gunsmith dovetail two V blocks onto the rib to take a scope.
 
Greg - Re mounts for Shotgun Ribs - have a look at Recknagel. They have just started doing a Shotgun Rib mount.

http://www.recknagel.de/newproductseng.htm

Had the 7x65R on the range yesterday - 80yds - first shot straight thrugh the black. 2nd shot - just enlarged the first hole.

I then tried the open sights - a long time since last used such sights - 1 1/2 inch group but about 6 inchs high with a full bead. Suspect they are regulated for 176 gn bullets as opposed to 156 gn bullets. Suppose am not that concerned as in practice would almost certainly use the scope.

The only way of adjusting the sights would be drift out the foresight which is on a dovetail and replace it with a taller one.
 
Thanks for all your help and comments on the 7x65R. Have doen a bit of research on its history. It was made in 1974 in Ferlach, Austria by Joseph Hambrusch who are very much still in business - see www.ferlachguns.com. I dare say the cost of having it replaced by them will be quite a bit more than I paid for it.
 
Another way would be to try a different bullet weight, it might shoot to a different impact point.
My O/U 7X65R was regulated for the 11.2 gramme [173gr RWS Teil Mantel] bullet.

HWH.
 
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