Dialled in shooting

[User00040]

Need some real knowledge on this thread, not just armchair ballistics experts.

FYI...

A 30 degree C temp shift will change drop by 0.3" (or 0.1 MOA) at 300 yards on my example above

A shift in pressure from 950 to 1050 will create a 0.5" (<0.2 MOA) shift

Increasing humidity from 0 to 100% will have no difference at all

Nobody can shoot to that level with a hunting rifle.

Shoot it, write the numbers down, good to go: is a perfectly valid approach for short range ie all stalking in the UK

You factored in any potentially change in muzzle velocity coming from powder burn rates in different temperatures too, pointdexter?

Please share with us some of your shooting experience.

I can tell you for a fact that there is a considerable change when sighting in either a rifle or bow in the UK then using those same marks in Mongolia.

 

[25 Sharps]

Very well explained .
But it also goes to show how much more comprehensible and easier to use 0.1 milrads (cm) and metres are

do you think so? I really don’t think MOA is any harder to understand! If you are working in Yards MOA is very easy to follow, in metres milrad makes sense.

 

[User00044]

So.......... who did win todays "Stalking Directory , Pedants P#$$ing Competition " , or is it still running?

 

[Steff]

do you think so? I really don’t think MOA is any harder to understand! If you are working in Yards MOA is very easy to follow, in metres milrad makes sense.

Yeah, I can also deal with MOA. No problem. But then there still always the factor 4 because of the 1/4 MOA clicks whereas 0.1mil translates directly into a 1cm click. No big deal though.

 

[Steff]

So.......... who did win todays "Stalking Directory , Pedants P#$$ing Competition " , or is it still running?

Do I get a prize now?

 

[The Singing Stalker]

okayyyyyyy, I have been avoiding looking on here as there is 3 million answers and everybody knows the answer, whilst every answer is different .
The good news is that I found my keys, the bad news is that the neighbours are coming around for dinner so I have to be social, I will get back to looking at the thread and watch the videos in the next day or so.
ok, back to killing each other now.

 

[User00044]

Do I get a prize now?

I had you in the lead until mealiejimmys' rather eloquent departure from the conversation .. You may have to share the podium . I believe todays prize is a hardback copy of " Janet and John's day at the range (external ballistics)". As was quoted in post #46 .


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[Klenchblaize]

I'm seeing this thread as the justification for a XXXL bino harness to accommodate, in addition to a set of bins, the following:

a. Leica Handheld Range Finder
b. Kestrel Handheld Digital Anemometer
c. Mobile Phone With Ballistic Software
d. A Clip Of Pistol Ammo For HD
e. Packed Lunch For The Spotter
f. Thermal

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[kimh]

 

[Bowland blades]

I am trying to get my head around dialling in for shooting. Ie scope is zeroed at 100 yards, so how many clicks for 300?
anybody put me to a “dialling in for idiots” site?
I known it is different for calibers but want to read up on the basics before going to the range.
probably be using my 243 if anyone is interested, mainly because it has a bipod.

You don't dial to shoot a 300 yard deer you hold for trajectory and wind , remembering its the horizontal distance , contour effect etc
Go zero your 243 at 200 yards and go test the true trajectory of your load 50 yard intervals up to 300 and the value of a fixed full value 10 mph wind , halve it , quarter it heck double it based on a wind and angle basis.
This is how it's done real world , real time

Big difference between shooting tactial type matches and hunting real animals where one shot no sighter are where its at

Good idea to practice on crows or something to learn your personal limits without that sighting shot that most matches allow 2

 

[Foxyboy43]

You don't dial to shoot a 300 yard deer you hold for trajectory and wind , remembering its the horizontal distance , contour effect etc
Go zero your 243 at 200 yards and go test the true trajectory of your load 50 yard intervals up to 300 and the value of a fixed full value 10 mph wind , halve it , quarter it heck double it based on a wind and angle basis.
This is how it's done real world , real time

Big difference between shooting tactial type matches and hunting real animals where one shot no sighter are where its at

Good idea to practice on crows or something to learn your personal limits without that sighting shot that most matches allow 2

Bit like post 26 then….

 

[HandB]

This is the nice simple ballistic calculator I use. Input your loading, set your zero range and it will tell you how many inches of elevation are needed to dial from your zero range to whatever distance you want. Note them down on a piece of paper and away you go. It is accurate in my experience - lets me dial straight on to target. Plus you can figure out your muzzle velocity if you record the elevation required to dial between two known distances. Ballistic Calculator GunData.org

 

[Scapegoat]

I known it is different for calibers but want to read up on the basics before going to the range.

You don't dial to shoot a 300 yard deer

Whoops......

Before the ****ing contest began, the OP asked how to work with target turrets on a shooting range!

 

[terrier1]

anybody put me to a “dialling in for idiots” site?

You are on it.

 

[finnbear270]

Can't be, ... No mention of Coriolis effect ....

 

[Muir]

I don't dial when hunting. In fact, I prefer my hunting scopes to have capped turrets. ~Muir

 

[Norway]

There's a few episodes here showing it step by step

 

[Bowland blades]

Whoops......

Before the ****ing contest began, the OP asked how to work with target turrets on a shooting range!

When your up to post 75 do you think people bother to read the whole thread ? Most calibres would require 3 moa if zeroed around 100 yards as regards elevation depending on set parameters

 

[Brave Echo Niner]

You don't dial to shoot a 300 yard deer you hold for trajectory and wind , remembering its the horizontal distance , contour effect etc
Go zero your 243 at 200 yards and go test the true trajectory of your load 50 yard intervals up to 300 and the value of a fixed full value 10 mph wind , halve it , quarter it heck double it based on a wind and angle basis.
This is how it's done real world , real time

Big difference between shooting tactial type matches and hunting real animals where one shot no sighter are where its at

Good idea to practice on crows or something to learn your personal limits without that sighting shot that most matches allow 2

Have a look at PRS shooting, no sighters and have to shoot a steel target from an improvised shooting position at varying ranges depending on stage etc, with a time limit which puts pressure on, similar to how you may feel with a deer in the scope.


I can safely say that by practicing at these matches I am a more confident marksman while stalking, both positionally and from a dialing perspective.

While at a range day a few weeks ago it was very well highlighted that most people didn't have a clue how much to hold over when pushed to even 200M (let alone 300), whereas those of us dialling (all with no sighter) that have done these 'tactical competitions' that you seem so scorning about were hitting the bull...

I am by no means saying you cannot achieve the same result holding over, merely most cannot.



With regards to the OPs original question, I would recommend getting some sort of ballistic Calculator on your phone (Strelok, Applied Ballistics, Hornady 4DOF etc) then input basic data that you know, such as muzzle velocity, sight height, bullet data (BC, make and model if it is on the app etc) and this will give you a good starting point, you should be able to input the distance, an estimation or measurement of windage and get an approximate solution for your first trip to the range. From there in most apps I have seen you can tune the data output once you are there, this is most often done by putting in a known distance you have shot and the drop you applied to hit the target. This will make the drop curve the app is referencing off closer to the true drop you will see. There are many rabbit holes to go down with this sort of thing, however I would say get stuck in, have a play and see what you get!

Hope that helps somewhat?

Ben

 

[Steff]

While at a range day a few weeks ago it was very well highlighted that most people didn't have a clue how much to hold over when pushed to even 200M (let alone 300), whereas those of us dialling (all with no sighter) that have done these 'tactical competitions' that you seem so scorning about were hitting the bull...

I am by no means saying you cannot achieve the same result holding over, merely most cannot.

If people don‘t know how much a click on their scope is worth at 200m and how much they need to compensate how can they dial in correctly? Doesn‘t make much sense.