Freyr and Devik
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Hi, did you have any luck getting a replacement or anything. I’ve just bought one of these, still sitting in its box new.. nearly went DPT but the titanium bit got me
might return now!
deerstalker.308
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Yes got a replacement baffle stackHi, did you have any luck getting a replacement or anything. I’ve just bought one of these, still sitting in its box new.. nearly went DPT but the titanium bit got me
If that.Errr. A moddy limited to 20 shots at a time???? Really.
It seems that it is what it is. You pay your money and take your choices. Other options are available, some quite well proven, that might weigh about one snickers bar more. It is good to have a choice, which is entirely yours.
Again, I must say that, whilst appreciating ingenuity, and cost of manufacture, and fiddliness, these seem to be some things that have taken a compromise in the ultra light weight high end cost direction, fair enough, there is a market for that. Other things are also on the market too.
Now, give me a 3D printed thingummy with scientifically designed internals, made from Inconel (can be, has been, is being, done), and that might impress me more, being mostly a target shooter, for whom durability and sustained shot strings are a consideration. And taking the thing to bits after every outing and fannying about with it does not appeal, no matter how easy.
Otherwise something welded together, made from plain steel or SS, to a mature design and proven simple baffle stack made out of pressed sheet metal bits, in a "zed" arrangement , has rather more attraction. Even if it is a little bit (relatively) heavier. Having watched some vids. which Ase Utra put out a while ago (now vanished) where they put 1000 rounds of 5.56 through a QCB SL5 on full auto, stopping only every now and then when it literally got red hot, when they they took it off (thick leather gloves) and kicked it into a snowdrift to cool down a bit, along with the rifle, for the next hundred full auto, as fast as they could put in the mags. I expect that both were toast afterwards, but, hey ho, it proved a point.
Horses for courses I suppose.
Skogsmannen
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I might have missed it earlier on, but has anyone got a simple way to clean theirs? Other than an ultrasonic cleaner.
Finally got out today for the first time with the new rifle, complete with shiny f&d 196, and having just spent the last hour trying to scrub the burnt on deposits out of the baffles and shroud and still not got it all off, am I just trying to overclean it? It definitely hasnt come as clean as the one in the recent photos above and it's had ten shots in total through it.
Finally got out today for the first time with the new rifle, complete with shiny f&d 196, and having just spent the last hour trying to scrub the burnt on deposits out of the baffles and shroud and still not got it all off, am I just trying to overclean it? It definitely hasnt come as clean as the one in the recent photos above and it's had ten shots in total through it.
hedge hunter
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If someone out there is prepared too give it a go how about heat spray coatings on the internals.there are some good heat proof paints etc out there.got too be worth a dabble
I usually just spray and wipe but once in a while I wrap the internals is a wd40 soaked rag and leave overnight. Easy clean after that
Skogsmannen
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Typically, I'd missed the obvious with leaving it to soak. Will give that a whirl next time. I'm half convinced that it was so bad this first time because of the amount of grease/oil that it may have had inside it from the factory. It didn't half smoke the first few shots......
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Magnificent 7
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Im struggling I think.They replied with a replacemt stack is 70 pounds for something with an extremely low shot count. gun used for hunting and purchased in November Ive asked them whether this seems reasonable.
My F&D baffle core unscrewed when disassembling the 269 unit. On reading the instructions, one shouldn't remove the beast. Ooops, but it was accidently.
What, if anything, do people who have encountered this phenomena do to counteract this and to make the center less likely to unscrew.
PS I clean with WD40 after each use and have used a series of 7 / 10 shots at the range without a break, but will do now
What, if anything, do people who have encountered this phenomena do to counteract this and to make the center less likely to unscrew.
PS I clean with WD40 after each use and have used a series of 7 / 10 shots at the range without a break, but will do now
Foxyboy43
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Hmmmm. I still don’t get it - why would you buy something that stipulates:-
“These are not designed for heavy use, no more than twenty shots at a time is stated....”. I know that having read this thread I certainly would not even consider buying one - even without the pretty serious failure reports.
“These are not designed for heavy use, no more than twenty shots at a time is stated....”. I know that having read this thread I certainly would not even consider buying one - even without the pretty serious failure reports.
hedge hunter
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as above spot on
Do you really need to see one fail in person to be qualified to make a judgement? There's plenty of evidence in this thread alone that the F&D mods are not fit for purpose, period.
This thread prompted me to have a look at mine in detail and put a borescope down it. I bought a F280 Titanium in October last year but only got to use it for the first time a couple of weeks ago due to the lockdowns. Used at the range to zero a scope and load development on a 6.5x55. A total of 26 rounds put through the moderator allowing it to cool completely after each round. Stripped and cleaned as F&D's recommendations after use.
When I inspected the baffles stack closely yesterday, the exit hole rim shows clear signs of corrosion setting in. The first baffle in from the front of the mod has a large chunk of material corroded away from the rim of the bullet hole. See photos below, the corrosion on the exit hole rim is at 12 o'clock, the one on the first baffle in at 8 o'clock.
All that from 26 rounds of 6.5x55 that were loaded with 120gr Nosler ballistic tip under max 39gr of VV N150. Hardly a 'hot' round.
Email sent to Cluny's. Waiting to hear back and discuss with them.
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I could turn that on its head. Plenty evidence of F&D that perform perfectly.
I am sure there is plenty evidence of failures in other brands if you want to start a similar witch hunt
Magnificent 7
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You will receive a response like I did that it was perfectly acceptable wear
Im not arguing against failure. Everything working in a high pressure environment has a finite life.
I do have an issue with premature failure though particularly on products that command a price premium.
hedge hunter
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Wonder how they are getting on in other countries with em.this thread has gone on long enough too provoke some kind of response from the manufacturers importers ect.its there name at the end of the day.
Putting my Engineer's hat on, my theory (and this can only be confirmed by submitting the moderator for material testing at a laboratory) is that there is a problem with the anodising of the aluminium baffles. This maybe limited to a batch of these moderators that have not been anodised properly.
Anodising aluminium provides a hard protective layer on the surface but it is also porous and a second treatment is required to seal the pores. My gut feel is that it is that the sealing process that is defective on maybe a batch of these moderators. Once the cocktail of corrosive gases and liquid generated inside the moderator after firing get into the pours then the corrosion process is triggered. This might explain why different parts of the baffle stack are corroding on different mods. Mine was on the rims of the aperture the bullet passes through. Others were on the outside of the baffles. If you've been stalking/shooting morning and evening, the moderator may not cleaned until the next day. That's plenty of time for a good amount of corrosion to have occurred.
My theory of course.
Anodising aluminium provides a hard protective layer on the surface but it is also porous and a second treatment is required to seal the pores. My gut feel is that it is that the sealing process that is defective on maybe a batch of these moderators. Once the cocktail of corrosive gases and liquid generated inside the moderator after firing get into the pours then the corrosion process is triggered. This might explain why different parts of the baffle stack are corroding on different mods. Mine was on the rims of the aperture the bullet passes through. Others were on the outside of the baffles. If you've been stalking/shooting morning and evening, the moderator may not cleaned until the next day. That's plenty of time for a good amount of corrosion to have occurred.
My theory of course.
deerstalker.308
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It certainly seems to be inconsistent and random distribution of damage, and like you (although I’m no engineer) I suspect this has been a batch issue, as it is fundamentally clear to see others with much higher use have cleaned up showing next to no damage, where you, like me, have fired very few shots and incurred disproportionate corrosion. I think F&D and Cluny knows there was a problem as at the time I complained I was very swiftly offered a replacement baffle stack, and asked to remove some of the negative/conflicting media on the construction of the mods….. I now have that new stack, but it sounds like they’ve now gone on the defensive as the floodgates have opened. I would email Freyr directly, the email address on their website gets answered directly by Freyr himself, so you’re not being blocked by layers of admin, and sooner or later they may wonder why the U.K. distributors aren’t dealing with the issue themselves…
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