acorn house
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I am joining a deer stalking syndicate for the first time and the keeper in charge is asking for a copy of my shotgun & FAC licenses for his records is this a normal thing to request?
Giving out licence information?
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There is no legal reason to hold FAC copies, misplaced belief that they must I suppose. Visual check that all details are correct will suffice and make note that done. Same for rifleclubs, they are not legally required to hold FAC copies. Rule of thumb for GDPR, hold the least required to get the job done.
Blaser243
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Sounds like you don't trust them. By the same token, why should they trust you to wander around their land with a firearm? It's perfectly normal and justifiable. I ask to at least see anyone's FAC if they are stalking with me, but if it is a long term thing then I would ask for a copy.
GDPR is relevant, however, keeping the FAC copy whilst the person was a member is likely to be justifiable because the keeper could well be asked by his employer, their insurers or plod to explain their identity in all manner of circumstances. Keeping a note of their personal data (name, address etc) is no different to keeping a copy of their FAC.
GDPR is relevant, however, keeping the FAC copy whilst the person was a member is likely to be justifiable because the keeper could well be asked by his employer, their insurers or plod to explain their identity in all manner of circumstances. Keeping a note of their personal data (name, address etc) is no different to keeping a copy of their FAC.
Heym SR20
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These days you to demonstrate possession etc etc. its really no different your driving licence details to a car hire company, or proof of address to a bank.
Being a syndicate member he will already have your name and address. Going to local clay ground - they want see my shotgun certificate. Syndicate - FAC, DSC2, Insurance.
I have no issue them taking a copy.
Being a syndicate member he will already have your name and address. Going to local clay ground - they want see my shotgun certificate. Syndicate - FAC, DSC2, Insurance.
I have no issue them taking a copy.
This sounds like a bad idea to me. There's no sensible justification for keeping copies. FACs and SGcs are security risks, and ought to have a different format. There's no need for them to do any more than have sight of the documents, and perhaps keep a note of the certificate numbers. That can satisfy any possible record keeping requirement. Aside from any legal GDPR or data protection issues, it is irresponsible for them to keep a list of addresses where firearms are available to be stolen.
Dorsetrifle04
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If they want it, just scan a copy and redact the information you want to keep private (like address)..
It's the storage that creates the issue not the viewing . The gun shop will view but not store , that isn't GDPR ! I Still take 90% of age ID as one of the gun licenses ( i dont take driving cards thousands of fakes exist- had lots! ) But here is the rub " i dont store it!" view it record it in the book as seen ( just like the gunshop does ) then delete it !
Not sure i would let someone join a syndicate if i was in charge without address and ID , proof of 3rd party insurance .
Not sure i would let someone join a syndicate if i was in charge without address and ID , proof of 3rd party insurance .
nun_hunter
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I'd want to know where they are storing it and what security measures are in place plus potentially what insurance they have should there be a breach and you suffer a loss as a result.
Otherwise as said above, show them, they record they have seen it and it is all correct.
Otherwise as said above, show them, they record they have seen it and it is all correct.
enfieldspares
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When I sell a gun I ask the buyer to sign a receipt (as an aide memoire to when I advise the transaction to the police). What I do not do is, ever, make a copy or take a picture of their SGC or FAC. It serves no purpose and, indeed, is information that I do not need to hold.
The paper receipt has the buyer's address and the buyer's certificate details. Once I have advised the transaction to the relevant police licencing area then even that receipt is redundant and is destroyed. Back in the day when you didn't enter the details of the weapon on the old style SGC, yes, I kept that receipt.
I would go as far as to say that an estate retaining your details of your FAC and/or SGC after you have shot is in breach of GDPR.
The keeper is doing due diligence, ensuring that you have a current FAC and the gun you are using is entered onto your certificate. In this day an age of vicarious liability you would not expect him to do otherwise and his employer would insist on it.
You can always ask if the information required is being kept secure under GDPR.
You can always ask if the information required is being kept secure under GDPR.
long_range_rob
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable as if it all goes pear shaped they will be asked to prove they had taken all practicable measures to ensure you are a right and proper person to be shooting on their ground.
Which they can do by having sight of your certificate and keeping a note of its number, and of any insurance policy you hold. Could anybody explain why any more detail is either necessary or serves any positive function at all?
I don't suppose there's any real reason to keep a copy of someone else's certificates. All you need to check is their name/address and certificate number and they have the required condition that lets them do what they want to do. If I was a landowner, club secretary or whatever giving permission to shoot anywhere, be it stalking, clay shooting or whatever it is incumbent on me to ensure they are legal and to be able to show that you've done that if the poo hits the fan. The only other thing I'd want to know is the certificates expiry date, so that I could check with them that it has been renewed (probably sometime during the next year or two when the police find it at the top of their renewal pile
).Good point.I don't suppose there's any real reason to keep a copy of someone else's certificates. All you need to check is their name/address and certificate number and they have the required condition that lets them do what they want to do. If I was a landowner, club secretary or whatever giving permission to shoot anywhere, be it stalking, clay shooting or whatever it is incumbent on me to ensure they are legal and to be able to show that you've done that if the poo hits the fan. The only other thing I'd want to know is the certificates expiry date, so that I could check with them that it has been renewed (probably sometime during the next year or two when the police find it at the top of their renewal pile
What?
TH4
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If you don't like giving them a copy then don't join. There will no doubt be plenty of people happy to take your place.
Makes me wonder how many of the people on here that say they wouldn't give the landowner a copy of their FAC would change their mind if the landowner offered them free stalking on the proviso they gave him a copy. Must be a lot of people on here line their hats with tin foil. Remember, just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Makes me wonder how many of the people on here that say they wouldn't give the landowner a copy of their FAC would change their mind if the landowner offered them free stalking on the proviso they gave him a copy. Must be a lot of people on here line their hats with tin foil. Remember, just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
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