Giving out licence information?

[Apthorpe]

Where a copy of FAC might be required is if any incident occurred subsequently which required official testing of landowner/syndicate due diligence in the vetting process.

It is unclear what situation could arise where the so-called due diligence would ever be required or examined. To the extent that it is, it is surprising that none of the comments above have raised the issue of due diligence on the part of the stalker, which is actually the more serious issue. If someone is stalking on your ground who does not have the necessary licence or insurance, that's not likely to be an issue in the real world. On the other hand, if a stalker is shooting on land where the syndicate or promoter of the scheme does not own the land, have permission or have the stalking rights, then the stalker is committing a criminal offence. How many of the people above have kept copies of the landowner's permission to specified people to operate a syndicate or guide clients and allow sub-letting of the sporting rights, the syndicate insurance policy, photo ID of the people involved and their FACs etc etc? I suspect not all and I wonder if the OP has been offered full due diligence details by the operator of his syndicate.

A good compromise position that I have used in the past is to supply a copy of the FAC but with the address redacted. [Ethiopian Airways take a copy of FAC if you transit Addis Abbaba. Have your edited version ready to give them...]

I.e. photocopy your FAC with a Post-It stuck over the address. All the terms of your licence and your name and image are available and any official enquiry would be able to work from that.

They would, but they would also be able to work from just the name and the certificate number. Nothing more is necessary, therefore nothing more is justifiable.

In this scenario, you will have proven who you are to the syndicate/landowner with multiple ID [Drivers, Passport, etc] so he does not need the address on the FAC. Thus if the FAC document is filched by hackers it cannot, on its own, reveal locations of firearms.

Assuming you have also redacted the address on any other document provided. Any halfway competent hacker will be able to identify from image matching, and I'd still be wary of providing a list of firearms and ammunition entitlement to anybody not legally required to hold it. Everyone is apparently forgetting that gun owners all have an explicit legal duty to ensure the security of their firearms at all times so far as is practicable. In the event of guns being stolen:
Policeman: "Did anybody else know you kept guns here?"
Burglary victim: "Only some friends who I can identify and the people and landowners running some syndicates I joined?"
Policeman: "Do you have their full details?"
Burglary victim: "No, not really. I found the syndicates on the internet and the guy who runs it is called X and has this mobile number/email."
Policeman: "Do you know, with evidence, that they are not criminals?"
Burglary victim: "Er...no."
Policeman: "I see. Are you sure that you haven't done anything silly or negligent to compromise the security of your firearms? You realise that would be a criminal offence?"
Burglary victim: "Um...."
Policeman: "Do you know that they were legally entitled to offer you stalking? How did you prove that you weren't poaching?"
Burglary victim: "Er..."

 

[Heym SR20]

I go to hire a car at an airport. They take my drivers licence and passport and run it through their scanner. I have to give them my name and address. If I book online, then they have my email. They have my credit card as well.

And I haven’t a clue whether or not the gentleman or lady behind the desk is a criminal etc.

If I get on a plane I do the same. Ditto for a hotel.

I make a choice - I either walk and sleep on a park bench, or fly, get a hire car and sleep in a comfortable bed.

At least with syndicate run by somebody who stalks, then he knows and I know that as FACs we have gone through significant background checks as to our suitability.

 

[pjkaz]

I am joining a deer stalking syndicate for the first time and the keeper in charge is asking for a copy of my shotgun & FAC licenses for his records is this a normal thing to request?

Hi fortunately you have a choice. Do as required or walk . I have never had a problem with providing proof of licence seems like a sensible request. I've even asked for ID before showing my reloading kit to someone .

 

[Bowland blades]

Way i see it , anyone who needs to see my cert can ask and will get . Any who do not need to wont ! keeping a copy then they must register to keep that info , when i use An FAC or SGC for ID on sales or any other ID , i view then delete i do not store. Other forms of age ID are ok ( no DVLA cards though ) I have had multiple fakes , one person sent me a minimum of half a dozen with different names and addresses ( same photo ) .
Storage is of course a big issue today !

 

[Apthorpe]

I go to hire a car at an airport. They take my drivers licence

..because they are legally required to....

and passport and run it through their scanner. I have to give them my name and address. If I book online, then they have my email. They have my credit card as well.

They don't. The details are held in encrypted systems to which they do not have access, and the details are obviously necessary to make the payment. You're comparing handing over data which is reasonably necessary for the transaction with handing out data which is not reasonably necessary. I'm astonished if you can't tell the difference, but I rather suspect you can.

And I haven’t a clue whether or not the gentleman or lady behind the desk is a criminal etc.

Nor does it matter, because it is not a situation where you might find yourself committing a criminal offence.....unless you leave without a signed copy of the hire agreement and the insurance for that vehicle from the hire company. How often have you done that? When I hire a car, often I leave it in the street. You don't do that with your guns, so why are you using it as a comparison?

If I get on a plane I do the same. Ditto for a hotel.

None of this is comparable, a series of bad analogies. If people are determined to be obtuse, it is their right to do so. That doesn't make it reasonable or sensible to hand out data you should be protecting.

I make a choice - I either walk and sleep on a park bench, or fly, get a hire car and sleep in a comfortable bed.

At least with syndicate run by somebody who stalks, then he knows and I know that as FACs we have gone through significant background checks as to our suitability.

If you have a copy of his FAC.