Impact of the Trophy Ban

[gixer1]

Even though I would not take a trophy back (although it appears I have taken things back from Africa in the past that may well now be banned) I completely oppose the ban due to the fact there is nothing illegal in hunting the animals - to me it was a virtue signalling gesture to win some easy votes and it’s another erosion of hunting by the ignorant.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[zambezi]

the price to get that Kudu (skull mount only) home, was four times what I paid to shoot it

My own experience in that arena is that the first price quoted is not the totality of the bill you will receive before anything arrives at your door. Loads of hidden and additional costs follow in the weeks after the initial importation agreement. And lots of folk and certificates in that chain.

Besides, my preference is for conservation/cull hunting. [no trophy] You are bringing revenue into an operation that had to manage the animal populations anyway. And typically there is also a cash injection from the tourism. That goes into the local community in services or goods too. Win-win-win.

 

[Dunwaters]

I think there is a genetic desire to hunt deer, fish, snails, mushrooms, that is strongly expressed in some people. But I don't think there's one to do it "with a firearm". Pointed stick or rock, maybe.

The desire is to hunt, the tool is a matter of choice but the desire may not be.
The desire to hunt in foreign places is a bit more complex, for me it’s a chance to go somewhere else and experience new places, customs, environments and the creatures there. Because I hunt I go to places that most people will never see and get to experience things that that most people never will.
Killing stuff is actually fairly easy, it’s the least part of the experience but it is an essential part of the process to at least try.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Kay Burley is an imbecile.
These folk have not one single clue about why folk hunt any animal.

 

[Stalker62]

Besides, my preference is for conservation/cull hunting. [no trophy] ... And typically there is also a cash injection from the tourism.

For the avoidance of any doubt - this was conservation hunting.

Other that hunters, there is negligible 'tourism' in the north of Mozambique - they have even shut down the 'Photographic Safari' camp as a loss making enterprise.

Apart from being extremely remote (two days to get there), there is the small matter of Al-Shabaab and their ongoing insurrection.

Make no mistake - there was a 'clear and present danger' when we were there, with atrocities being committed each and every night.

Nowhere where you would normally get any 'tourist'...

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[Dunwaters]

The UK ban isn’t going to have much of an effect one way or the other, on the conservation movement in Africa, you’re a small segment of the global market.
It will make things a bit awkward for you guys at home, whether you’re buying or selling.
I suspect you’ll see any impact of the ban on the home market first.
My bet is that people will look for, find and exploit loopholes, especially if theres money to be made doing it.

 

[Heym SR20]

Even the Daily Mail is questioning this ban and quoting consevationists stating that the reasoning given by supporters is based on very questionable evidence and myths.

MPs are told to be aware of myths from animal rights activists

Conservationists say that in the last Commons debate nearly three-quarters of statements in favour of a blanket ban were questionable.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[sikamalc]

Tourism in Africa.................. throws up its own issues, compared to a hunting camp.

First off nearly all tourist camps are perminant. Secondly they hold vastly more people than a hunting camp. Which by the way are normally seasonal and taken down at the end of the season.
Thirdly tourist camps have their own logistical issues. Water, sewage, waste food, staffing, vehicles. erosion due to constant traffic to and from the site, animals become more aware of humans and therefore probably easier to poach.
Most of the large safari parks are islands, surrounded by farmland, villages even towns. The Ngorogoro Crater being one with serious issues over the years. Locals bring their stock into graze, they collect firewood illegally, in many instances. They also bring in their dogs, that carry mange. This has in the past transmitted to the Lion population, which had no defence against it. As the Lion population is so restricted within the crater in breeding was a serious issue, not helped by disease being brough in by the locals dogs.
Same in Ethiopia. The Abyssinian Wolf, a specialist Jackal that predates on mostly the large rodent population. It again is only found now in a few isolated spots in Ethiopia. Again the locals introduced sheep to the uplands where the Jackals live, mostly in the Bale Mountains. The domestic dogs carried mange and have decimated the Jackal population and also in some instances have gone feral and bred with the Jackals.
The Abyssinian Wolf is now highly endangered. I also played a very very small part in the DNA programme.

Its a complicated set of issues. People can afford to fly more these days (or they did). My parents couldnt afford to fly anywhere when I was a child. However the world is a smaller place than 50 years ago, and more and more pressure is put on the wild areas around the world. Whilst tourism is a good thing in many places, it is NOT the be all and end all of securing a future for wildlife. Ethical, sustainable hunting adds value to wildlife, secures areas against poaching, gives value to local peoples land, educates them in conservation and in many instances gives them employment where there is none.

That's a Fact. Not that these faceless bloody idiots in our government or some of the social lovies have a clue.

 

[Jon P]

On my last trip out to SA I took photos of the teeth of the animals I shot to show just how old and past their best they were,
I did not fire a shot for 4 days out there as nothing I saw was past it’s best, if it was prime breeding stock it was left alone to breed.
Photo is Black Wildebeest

 

[NoIDeer]

This whole saga has turned into a sop to to the antis. It is well past time that our government starts governing and not just reacting to the minority group that is shouting loudest today.

 

[Stalker62]

I did not fire a shot for 4 days out there as nothing I saw was past it’s best, if it was prime breeding stock it was left alone to breed.

On our last trip I did not fire a shot for seven days. Only took three animals. Hunted hard for eleven days.

 

[Pine Marten]

This whole saga has turned into a sop to to the antis. It is well past time that our government starts governing and not just reacting to the minority group that is shouting loudest today.

Erm. We ARE a minority group!

 

[Bowland blades]

With video and photos , why do we need the trophy ? The worst thing in all this is those that voted did so with hate rather than understanding ! The trophy hunting gives the game a higher value and funds much of the conservation. There are no nice deaths in the wild but one of the better ends is an animal at its optimum lifespan finding a well placed bullet in is hart . After its passed on its genes !
This is only bad for the nations who had a reason to keep the game , When they become only pests and over populated , the slaughter will be absolute

 

[Jon P]

With video and photos , why do we need the trophy ?

The taxidermist who employs a lot of local people might disagree with you on this one.

It is revenue made from a by product that would be left to rot on the bush.

 

[Bowland blades]

The taxidermist who employs a lot of local people might disagree with you on this one.

It is revenue made from a by product that would be left to rot on the bush.

No way in africa when it comes to a good feed. People will be there , then the scavengers from air or land , water even . It would not surprise me if some are brought in on hearing gun shots in some areas. Sure Taxidermists might go but its only a few Nations that are going this way right ( the UK can fit into Texas very, very , very many times over ) UK is insignificant in regards to this matter

 

[Jon P]

No way in africa when it comes to a good feed. People will be there , then the scavengers from air or land , water even . It would not surprise me if some are brought in on hearing gun shots in some areas. Sure Taxidermists might go but its only a few Nations that are going this way right ( the UK can fit into Texas very, very , very many times over ) UK is insignificant in regards to this matter

The African nations are concerned that European may follow the U.K.like sheep down a dark hole of sentiment over science

The U.K. are not as big in Africa as the USA but they value all the income they can get from us.

 

[Heym SR20]

Closer to home, a very good example of the negative impact of Tourists is the North West 500. How much disruption do all the camper vans cause and how much does bring to the local economy.

Compare this to fishing and stalking lodges

One of the big challenges is that many hunting type operations are so far out of the pocket book of most people that it is a sport of the very wealthy. I know lodges in Scotland where you are looking at £20k plus for a week just to stay there. Yes you eat five course dinners cooked by michelin starred chef (so you go hungry all the time) and that is before any sport is added in.

 

[Heym SR20]

One other point I don't understand regards to Africa and Taxidermy. In Namibia as a tourist you can buy plenty of skins for not silly sums of money - from $100 upwards (admittedly that was in 2018) These you can buy and take home with you.

Yet the cost of getting your skin home from an animal you have shot is silly money.

 

[Jon P]

One other point I don't understand regards to Africa and Taxidermy. In Namibia as a tourist you can buy plenty of skins for not silly sums of money - from $100 upwards (admittedly that was in 2018) These you can buy and take home with you.

Yet the cost of getting your skin home from an animal you have shot is silly money.

By product of the meat trade, Think this would be £574 (2022 joberg airport).

 

[NoIDeer]

Erm. We ARE a minority group!

Are we shouting loudest today?