Medical form

[Muirmains]

No complicated medical history. Just a bastard of a doctor practice that thinks only the police and army should have guns. Some doctors like mine decided to make new tick boxes like what happened to me ie a bleed in the brain. But doc put down cerebral something trying to suggest I had a neurologic condition there **** all wrong with me I am very luck.i am just trying to show yous the forms simple enough yes I have never had anything on the tick box but still that bastard made his own tick box . I ended up in an interview with the police asking about my neurological condition . I've not got one so the police had to write to the doctor to confirm this and he would not respond at first it took him 2 month after me constantly phoning the doctors eventually he confirmed this. Utter bastard trying to cause trouble. So just let hope hes the only utter bastard doctor in the uk. I just trying to so it not just that tick box . That bastard had written do not grant with no explanation on the tick box form. The police ask me why would he do this ? The answer easy he hates guns did talk to basc about it they said let the police deal with him

 

[trev]

Just off to the Doc's now with the same form, could be fun as he has not seen me for 20 years.

 

[Benelli m2]

No complicated medical history. Just a bastard of a doctor practice that thinks only the police and army should have guns. Some doctors like mine decided to make new tick boxes like what happened to me ie a bleed in the brain. But doc put down cerebral something trying to suggest I had a neurologic condition there **** all wrong with me I am very luck.i am just trying to show yous the forms simple enough yes I have never had anything on the tick box but still that bastard made his own tick box . I ended up in an interview with the police asking about my neurological condition . I've not got one so the police had to write to the doctor to confirm this and he would not respond at first it took him 2 month after me constantly phoning the doctors eventually he confirmed this. Utter bastard trying to cause trouble. So just let hope hes the only utter bastard doctor in the uk. I just trying to so it not just that tick box . That bastard had written do not grant with no explanation on the tick box form. The police ask me why would he do this ? The answer easy he hates guns did talk to basc about it they said let the police deal with him

What a scumbag change doctors mate

 

[Benelli m2]

I had an ingrowing toe nail a while ago will it affect my renewal

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

For anyone that has not read the Home Office proposals or BASC's response or taken a few minutes to email the Home Office their view here are a few key points.

If the government approves these proposals this could result in:

• a potential loss of tens of thousands of firearms owners over the next 5 years with serious knock-on impacts on businesses
• the creation of a multi-million pound medical record checks industry funded by the shooting community with no benefit to that community or to public safety
• mandatory GP involvement in firearms licensing being rolled out nationwide with no safeguards in place to protect applicants from GPs refusing to take part or charging extortionate fees
• police interviewing applicants’ neighbours on their suitability to own guns thereby putting certificate holders at risk
• police seeking credit or other financial tests on applicants and considering debt as a factor in decision making.

The Home Office proposals are neither evidence-lead nor fit for purpose. The proposals will encourage police forces in England, Wales and Scotland to continue to make up their own rules and this will be largely to the disadvantage of firearm owners. Existing and prospective firearms owners will be treated poorly and will be regarded as people who may be dealt with in any way that the police or doctors wish.

Please email firearmsconsultations@homeoffice.gov.uk with your views!

For more information visit: https://basc.org.uk/firearmsconsultation/

 

[Si]

Just off to the Doc's now with the same form, could be fun as he has not seen me for 20 years.

Surely that’s a good thing... all boxes ticked “no” job done

 

[Si]

I dropped forms of on Tuesday for doc to sign... phoned today to ask if he’s done it. Told to phone again next Thursday but don’t hold out much hope as he he won’t even sign passport applications anymore.

 

[Benelli m2]

My mate just done his renewal doctor done the yes or no form for £60
But plod also asking for medical record on top of that when the doctor has put no medical condition
To all the questions on the form wtf

 

[Padlington]

Think it's £60 I've heard

£40 in cheshire

 

[kes]

No challenge yet -

 

[Milligan]

Not I'm my experience, here in Sussex I just filled out my FAC , signed the part that says I give permission for them to access my medical file, then a week later got an invoice from the doctor for £30 (admin fee apparently) paid it and a week later FEO popped round for a check on the cabinets and FAC dropped on the mat soon after. This was earlier this year.

Sussex in July; no charge.

 

[User00009]

I had a letter from BASC a couple of weeks ago informing me Lancashire police have adopted this doctors note procedures. (I’m under greater manchester.)
My point is, since when do the police make or change laws? I thought there role was to uphold the law for the protection of law abiding citizens!
RS

 

[mealiejimmy]

I had a letter from BASC a couple of weeks ago informing me Lancashire police have adopted this doctors note procedures. (I’m under greater manchester.)
My point is, since when do the police make or change laws? I thought there role was to uphold the law for the protection of law abiding citizens!
RS

You don't have a point,
The law says that the chief of Police has to be satisfied that the applicant is a suitable person to be entrusted with firearms.
The law says nothing about how he reaches the point where he is satisfied.
There is Home Office Guidance on the new medical rules, which most police forces are now blatantly ignoring, but it's guidance - not law, and unless and until there is a legal challenge against how the police are using the medical rules, they can do pretty much as they please.
BTW this has been going on in Scotland since April 2016 - so welcome to the party!

Cheers

Bruce

 

[potshotpat]

I had a letter from BASC a couple of weeks ago informing me Lancashire police have adopted this doctors note procedures. (I’m under greater manchester.)
My point is, since when do the police make or change laws? I thought there role was to uphold the law for the protection of law abiding citizens!
RS

I'm in Lancashire, my tickets are up in 2022 but before I renew them this time i'm going to Lourdes for a weekend. Sorted.

 

[Benelli m2]

This medical thing is here to stay

 

[sy247]

To provide a bit of balance, I suffer from a long term neurological condition and am a firearm and shotgun certificate holder. Until recently the condition has been well controlled with medication. I had a few problems recently and went to my neurologist. He changed the dose of medication I take and potentially the police could have taken the view that my risk profile had changed. I wrote a letter to the firearms licensing department advising them of my change of situation. It was quickly responded to, to the effect that no action would be required on their part at this time.

I set out the facts in the letter, made it easy to understand what had happened and what the change of risk was and how it was being mitigated on my part. I provided contact details for my consultant in the event that they wanted to contact him. I received some very good advice from my shooting organisation and would encourage anyone in a similar situation to consult theirs. It is a great weight off my mind, because I thought there was a real risk my certificate might get revoked if there was a knee jerk reaction.

I think the police and medical profession often get painted in a very negative light with regards to shooting. I have no doubt that there are parts of government and the civil service that have an agenda to remove firearms from the general population. My experience with my firearms licensing department has been generally very positive. My neurologist was excellent and advised he wouldn't be able to give the police an opinion on my suitability to possess firearms, only the relevant facts of my medical condition and history.

 

[kes]

To provide a bit of balance, I suffer from a long term neurological condition and am a firearm and shotgun certificate holder. Until recently the condition has been well controlled with medication. I had a few problems recently and went to my neurologist. He changed the dose of medication I take and potentially the police could have taken the view that my risk profile had changed. I wrote a letter to the firearms licensing department advising them of my change of situation. It was quickly responded to, to the effect that no action would be required on their part at this time.

I set out the facts in the letter, made it easy to understand what had happened and what the change of risk was and how it was being mitigated on my part. I provided contact details for my consultant in the event that they wanted to contact him. I received some very good advice from my shooting organisation and would encourage anyone in a similar situation to consult theirs. It is a great weight off my mind, because I thought there was a real risk my certificate might get revoked if there was a knee jerk reaction.

I think the police and medical profession often get painted in a very negative light with regards to shooting. I have no doubt that there are parts of government and the civil service that have an agenda to remove firearms from the general population. My experience with my firearms licensing department has been generally very positive. My neurologist was excellent and advised he wouldn't be able to give the police an opinion on my suitability to possess firearms, only the relevant facts of my medical condition and history.

I can understand your point of view but do you have any idea what the medical costs will be when you renew?

 

[sy247]

I can understand your point of view but do you have any idea what the medical costs will be when you renew?

Providing the cost is reasonable i don't have a problem with paying for it. But I dont know how much my GP intends to charge.

 

[User00009]

You don't have a point,
Yes I do! Mr arrogant.
The law says that the chief of Police has to be satisfied that the applicant is a suitable person to be entrusted with firearms.
Having had firearms for 40+ years I think i qualify as suitable.
The law says nothing about how he reaches the point where he is satisfied
Where does the law state that?
There is Home Office Guidance on the new medical rules, -guidance is not a law-which- most police forces are now blatantly ignoring, but it's guidance - not law, and unless and until there is a legal challenge against how the police are using the medical rules, they can do pretty much as they please. Exactly the point I refer too. Until it’s challenged! I’ve been paying subs to BASC until this October to challenge indiscriminate attack’s on law abiding and sane firearms owners.
Bruce, we do not live in a police state. Parliament make the laws in the UK.
RS

 

[Miki]

@Rifle shot I think you missed the point of what Bruce was saying and you certainly seem to be unaware of how this 'fiasco' (my wording) has unfolded.
There have been many threads on this subject all of which have been extremely informative and clearly show the 'spread' of this from Scotland (where it was introduced in 2016) down into England where, like a cancer, it starting to infect all Police Forces.

Having been licenced to own firearms for 40 years has no bearing whatsoever on this, the fact that you (and thousands of others) have been deemed to be a suitable and trusted person with respect to firearms ownership has now been overturned and the relevant Chiefs of Police are now seeking additional, medical assurance.
The law states that "The Chief of Police should be satisfied" and this additional layer of medical assurance has become (since it was introduced and 'tested' in Scotland) part of their risk assessment/avoidance.

BASC support this.
What they are now arguing about is the 'fee basis'. ie where 1 doctor charges £15 (or some other nominal fee) and others over £200.
BASC have stated that they feel that a 'nominal fee' is acceptable and (although I can't recall where I saw it) I believe that figure is £60

BASC has 'never' challenged this turn of events.
BASC have decided not to raise any legal action with respect to this and have stated (in the past) that lobbying is the best course of action.

If you wish to challenge this in the courts I can assure you that Bruce would be 100% behind you (as would I).

I would like to apologise to Bruce on your behalf as I think your outburst was not based on a full understanding of the situation and he is by no means arrogant,
For a good read see here BASC says don't pay - stalking directory thread